- Approved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDP8OBO1676R00050W0 DIA review s completed g x - Executive Registry 21 December 1964 MEMORANDUM FOR THE DIRECTOR a k SUBJECT Relations 1 In response to your instructions we have asked the CIA Chairman of the principal USIB committees and the heads of the CIA Directorates to advise us concerning the relations with DIA and of any suggestions they may have for improving relations In general considerable satisfaction is expressed by all concerning relations with DIA and there appears to be a close and cordial working arrangement between the two agencies Although some areas are noted in which it is felt DIA could make a greater contribution there is general recognition that it is still a young agency and that it has been having the usual growing pains particularly as it has taken over some established service responsibilities Summarized below are the principal comments received DIA has helped the Clandestine Services in its relation to the military services and their participation and support of clandestine operations DIA has provided a unified channel for intelligence requirements to all DOD components which has helped to eliminate duplication DIA evaluations and assessments have assisted clandestine operations There has been some delay in Clandestine Service reports reaching DOD elements but DIA is working on this DIA has assisted in considerable improvement in the coordination of clandestine operations between the services and CIA but there has not been similar improvement in the counterintelligence areas DIA contributions to substantive intelligence in such fields as order of battle geographic intelligence industrial intelligence and photographic interpretation have been good In the scientific and technological intelligence areas we believe improvement is needed This is dealt with later under and the specialized committees of USIB We believe there could be further clarification of the distinct roles of the Central Intelligence Bulletin and the Defense Intelligence Summary as there are still occasional overlaps and duplications which create senie problems Further we urge that DIA accelerate its efforts for an effective retrieval system in close collaboration With CIA and the CODIB ILLEGIB Approved For Release 2003 08 18 4-i Apptoved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDP80B01676R000500040002-3 In the research and development areas DIA has proved an effective focal point for coordination of in intelligence areas between CIA and Defense Intelligence components The information exchange is today effective and meaningful In the collection and analysis areas DIA is responsive and effective in the ELINT advisory group and the SIC-INT evaluation subcommittgegx I It could be better coordinated with CIA on military third-party ELINT operations I ONE In the production and estimating areas the Directorate of Science and Technology in DIA in our opinion needs more in-house intelligence production and estimative capability and less dependence on such units as the Foreign Technological Division of the Air Force Systems Command the Foreign Scientific and Technological Center of the Army Materiel Command and the Scientific and Technological Intelligence Center of ONI The primary areas of relations between our support directorate and DIA are in the security and training fields There is close coordination and exchange between our Office of Training and the DIA jtraining effort including a full time CIA officer at the Defense Intelligence School DIA has been most cooperative and effective in the security field in such matters as special security control systems surveys etc DIA's work in the estimative field has been responsive cordial and cooperative but reflects a need for experienced officers in the estimative fields with depth and continuity in substantive intelligence It is recognized that this is hard to achieve in a relatively new organization dependent on the services for its personnel and we are well aware of General Carroll s intensive efforts in this field DIA is responsive to spot requests for specific information and briefings in the production of estimates Good lines of communication have been established and the working group has been a good 25X1 device However contributions to military estimates are uneven in qualit Finally more and more dependence is being placed on Office of Research and Reports for estimates of production of military equipment which perhaps they are best qualified for in relation to DIA because of their depth in the economic area Approved For Release 2003 08 18 uric-v1 21 25X1 25X1 25X1 7 Approved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDP80BO1676R000500040002-3 Watch Committee widespread Indications organization provides rapid and effective Screening of indicators and assists the overall effort The DIA 24 hour watch is energetic con- sistent and operates on the highest priority basis We would urge closer coordination between the DIA representatives on the Watch Com rnittee and the producers of the Defense Intelli- gence Summary for the purpose of reaching unified analytical judgments DIA has facilitated COMOR action by serving as a focal oint for DOD in all collection matters and the DIA representa- JAEIC tives have been cooperative in the coordination effort Chamberlain DIA has been rebuilding the competence in the nuclear energy intelligence effort and has hired some good civilians and hopefully is getting some good military personnel There is a need for depth and analysis and for closer coordination between the production center and the Directorate for Science and Technology CIA has helped train DIA and we will continue to give all the assistance we can SIC - Scheme 4' unk dam Qum zu DIA has made a good effort to speak with a unified military voice in this area but there is still a que stion as to where the true expertise rests This was graphically illus- trated on NIE ll -8 with regard to the submarine capability where the expertise rested exclusively with the Navy CIA is not so much concerned as to where the expertise resides as it is with how quickly this can be made available in the estimative procedure GMAIC D uckett ' The basic Missile and Space Analysis capability still resides in the departments which are cooperative in providing special studies and CIA is appreciative that the channels are kept open for this purpose As mentioned above there is a need for greater in-house capabilities in DIA in the missile and space field CODIB Guw fn on ant Borel DIA is responsive and active in this field and we noted above the requirement for retrieval capability Approved For Release 2003 08 18 v Approved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDP8OBO1676R000500040002-3 CCPC 25X1 DIA has provided a dynamic and constructive approach to the efforts of the Critical Collection Problems Committee 25X1 25x1 EIC Emma ak Agar Guthe DIA has provided an excellent job at the EIC level and assists in providing members to the subcommittees Security Osborn DIA has provided a central point for cooperation and has developed considerable expertise in this field N15 Wand gill 4 404 25X1 DIA has absorbed the responsibilities for all service 'nputs to the National Intelligence Surveys and is meeting its deadlines in a satisfactory manner as to time and quality 25X1 Zyman B Kirkpatrick Executive Director 25X1 cc DDCI Approved For Release 2003 08 18 STAT Approved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDP8OBO1676R000500040002-3 Approved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDP80B01676R000500040002-3 -64 Approved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDPSOBO1676R000500040002-3 i M 2 5 1554 MEMORANDUM FOR Executive Director-Comptroller SUBJECT Evaluation of DIA REFERENCE Action Memorandum No A-437 30 Nov 64 1 In response to the reference memorandum the has reviewed the status of its relations with the DIA to identify any major problem area or significant improvements which may serve as a basis for pending discussions between the DCI and Briefly 25x1 it appears that as one moves from research and development programs through collection operations to analytical production and estimative programs the effectiveness of collaboration and coordination and the quality of the DIA community contribution progressively deteriorates 2 Research and Development Since your exchange of correspond ence with the Deputy Director DIA in February and March 1964 which created a formal mechanism for the coordination of and since the reorganization of DIA to provide for central management of intelligence- oriented research performed by the Services the DIA participation has improved DIA now is in the position to serve as an effective focal point for coordination having improved knowledge and control of rel- evant DOD research programs Information exchanges between CIA and DIA coordinators are more effective and meaningful and increasingly reflect the spirit of the agreement reached betweenl and 25x1 yourself 3 Collection and Analysis - In the ELINT Advisory Group to DIRNSA for management of the National ELINT Plan NEP and in the SIGINT Evaluation Sub-Cornmittee of the USIB SIGINT Committee the DIA participation has been both responsive and effective However we detect some inclination on the part of DIA to move into military I 25X1 We believe that the CIA participation in the will frustrate any such plans of DIA but this is a potential problem area em a Approved For Release Emmi mil I'i an vn v-m w 4 - Approved For Release 2003 08 18 ERDP80B01676R000500040002-3 SUBJECT Evaluation of DIA 25x1 4- Production and Estimating - In intelligence production and estimative activities related to foreign scientific and technical pro- grams the DIA contribution has not been impressive The Directorate of Science and Technology DIAST is the DIA component charged with programming and coordinating the intelligence production programs of the Services It also exercises considerable control over the budgets of the Foreign Technology Division FTD of the Air Force Systems Command the Foreign Scientific and Technological Center FSTC of the Army Materiel Command and the Scientific and Technological Intelli- gence Center STIC of OINI DIAST has become a rather large non producing staff with little or no in house intelligence production or estimative capability Its creation has placed one more echelon of command between the USIB committees JAEIC GMAIC and SIC and the producing Service elements DIAST's coordination role has also tended to pre-ernpt the USIB committees' coordination re spon sibilities wherever Service participation is involved As a result the DIA contribution to the production of the USIB committee and especially participation in the National Intelligence Estimates programs is extremely limited In our opinion if this situation continues the Office of Scientific Intelligence in will have to assume a greater role in direct support of the JAEIC GMAIC and SIC because of the inability of DIA to respond to the needs of these committees in a timely and effective manner 25X1 Albert D Wheelon Deputy Director for Science and Technology Approved For Release 2003 08 18 STAT Approved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDP8OBO1676R000500040002-3 Approved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDP80B01676R000500040002-3 15 December 1964 MEMORANDUM FOR Executive Director Comptroller SUBJECT Discussion with I 25x1 on DIA 25x1 1 I understand that has been invited 25x1 to lunch with the Director on ue sday 22 December and to remain for as long as he pleases in the afternoon As a minimum the DCI informs me that he wishes to have I 25x1 briefed on the organization of the CIA with particular emphasis on the facilities maintained by CIA which serve the community as a whole He wanted to include in the briefing some reference to what the Director characterized as the two-day seminar run by Mr Kirkpatrick and some discussion of the qualifi- cations of CIA personnel 2 As regards DIA the DCI wishes to take the position that DIA is an indispensable adjunct to the re Sponsibilities of 1 the JCS in the discharge of their command and direction over if the Military Commands The DCI therefore supports the I concept of DIA and feels that it ought to be strengthened In this conversation with me he made particular note of the very good job General Carroll has been doing in strengthening DIA and promoting c00peration between DIA and the intelligence g community as a whole 3 The DCI will take the position that DIA should concentrate on essentially military intelligence activities and should leave to CIA the responsibility for activities which extend beyond strictly military implications This distinction can obviously be vastly oversimplified and it can hardly be argued that the DIA should confine itself exclusively to matters pertaining to OB On the other hand there would seem to be some line Lm 1-H 4 mil Approved For Release DP80B01676R000500040002-3 25X1 Approved For Release 20031081185 of demarcation between matters of primarily military intelligence interest and matters of more general political economic and or scientific concern 4 The Director said that he would like to have some written document to hand to land that 25X1 he would like to have a record kept of his discussions and any oral briefings a transcript of which cauld be sent to 25X1 afte the meeting 5 It seems to me that the be st way of meeting the Director's desire in this respect would be a memorandum from you to the Director containing some of the thoughts outlined above with all of which you are completely familiar and also such other observations which you think appr0priate to submit to the in written form An alternative would be two memoranda one of which would attempt to treat with DIA as an essentially cozmmunity matter and the other from the perspective of CIA Presumably the latter would cover such points as the desirability of having DIA not duplicate the facili- ties of CIA etc etc The former would be one which we would prepare and send to the Director as a community matter This seems to me cumbersome and I would recommend one memorandum 25X1 JOHN A BROSS cc DDCI Approved For Release 2003 08 18 CIA-RDP80B01676R000500040002-3