m mcz IMMEDIATE WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM PAGE 01 OF 05 PRT GATES SIT FILE SIT IMMEDIATE SECRET 0508302 MAY 90 FM USDEL SECRETARY IN GERMANY IMMEDIATE 4917 IMMEDIATE TO WASHDC HOUSE WASHDC SECTION 01 OF 03 SECTO 06013 NODIS FOR 3 E O 12356 TAGS SUBJECT AND - EYES ONLY DECL OADR OVIP IBAHER JAMES A MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT BONN MAY 4 1990 MEMORANDUM FOR THE PRESIDENT FROM JAMES A BAKER SUBJECT MY MEETING WITH SHEVARDNADZE l I HAVE JUST COMPLETED A NEARLY FOUR-HOUR DISCUSSION WITH SHEVARDNADZE HE PROVIDED ME A COPY OF THE LETTER GORBACHEV HAS SENT TO YOU IN ADDITION HE GAVE ME ONE RAISA GORBACHEV IS SENDING TO BARBARA WE THEN PROCEEDED TO DISCUSS LITHUANIA GERMAN UNIFICATION AND THE TWO-PLUS-FOUR PROCESS AND ARMS CONTROL WHILE THESE WERE OUR MAIN THEMES I ALSO RAISED TWO OTHER ISSUES BRIEFLY FIRST I PROPOSED A JOINT COOPERATIVE EFFORT TO HELP FEED THE ETHIOPIA -- USING OUR FOOD AND THEIR PLANES DAVE BOREN IS PUSHING THIS AND SHEVARDNADZE SEEMED VERY RECEPTIVE TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS MORE TOMORROW SECOND I RAISED OUR CONCERNS ABOUT RUMORS HEARD OF A PAMYAT-LED POGROM AGAINST JEWS THROUGHOUT THE SOVIET UNION TOMORROW INTERESTINGLY HE BASICALLY ACHNOWLEDGED DECLASSIFIED PER E O 13526 errati Kdoaomqa 19 1ng epuapgsaxd an m Ezcaz m mcz an 1 32 IMMEDIATE WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM PAGE 92 OF BS THESE ARE NOT SIMPLY RUMORS SAYING THE SOVIET LEADERSHIP HAS TAKEN ALL THE STEPS THEY CAN TO PREVENT THIS HE SAID THEY EXCLUDE INDIVIDUAL INCIDENTS BUT HE SAID THE MVD AND OTHER SECURITY ELEMENTS WERE ON HIGH ALERT AND HAD CALLED IN AND WARNED THE PAMYAT RING-LEADERS OF THE CONSEOUENCE OF VIOLENCE AND ATTACKS AGAINST JEWS LET ME TURN TO LITHUANIA LITHUANIA 2 I GOT THE IMPRESSION FROM OUR DISCUSSION THAT THE SOVIETS ARE MORE RELAXED AND CONFIDENT THAT THEIR STRATEGY IS WORKING SHEVARDNADZE IMPLIED NO SENSE OF URGENCY INDEED WHEN I EMPHASIZED THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SOVIETS NOT SIMPLY TALKING ABOUT THE NEED FOR DIALOGUE BUT ACTUALLY TAKING STEPS TO PRODUCE ONE HE SAID HE THOUGHT ONE WOULD BE POSSIBLE IN TIME HE REFERRED TO THE GROWING DEBATE AMONG THE LITHUANIAN LEADERSHIP OVER THE NEED FOR COMPROMISE AND IMPLIED THEY WOULD COME AROUND HE REPEATED THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO START A DIALOGUE IF THE LITHUANIAN LEADERS ANNOUNCED THEY WERE FREEZING THE DECLARATION AND THE LAWS THAT FOLLOWED IT AND WERE WILLING TO COME TO MOSCOW TO BEGIN TALKS BUT HE SAID THE INITIATIVE THE FIRST STEP MUST COME FROM THEM I ASKED IF LANDSBERGIS ET AL CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD FROM THE SOVIETS WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO AND WHAT THE RESULT WOULD BE INAMELY BEGINNING OF A DIALOGUE AND LIFTING OF THE SANCTIONSI HE SAID HE DIB HE SAID THE MAIN PROBLEM AT THIS POINT WAS THE LITHUANIAN WILLINGNESS ONLY TO TALK OF POSSIBLE STEPS AND THEIR UNWILLINGNESS TO ACTIVELY TAKE THEM HERE AGAIN HE NOTED THE SOVIETS WOULD BE PATIENT AND A LITTLE AS THE LITHUANIANS DEBATE THE ISSUE Adoomoqd 19 ng entrapgsaxd fl 33 HI I WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM PAGE 93 OF D5 3 AS FOR POSSIBLE U S SANCTIONS HE SAID THEY WOULD BE NO TRAGEDY THOUGH THEY WOULD-BE UNFORTUNATE -- AS THEY WOULD BE AN INDICATION OF WHAT HAS HAPPENING TO THE RELATIONSHIP OT 3 6913 BT 92 OF US SECTO USUIS NODIS FOR 5 AND 5 3 - EYES ONLV GERMANY 4 I MADE A FAIRLY PRESENTATION TO HIM EMPHASIZING THE PRINCIPLES THAT CUIDE US ON THE UNIFICATION PROCESS N0 SINCULARITV AND DISCRIMINATION ACAINST GERMANYI THE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE LECITIMATE CONCERNS OF AND THE ROLE OF THE AS A ABLE TO DECIDE A LIMITED NUMBER OF ISSUES IE C FOUR-POWER RICHTS UORDERS I AND SHAPED TO DISCUSS OTHERS AND DIRECT THEM TO THEIR PROPER FORA FOR DECISION NUCLEAR FORCES SNF DUNDESHEHR LIMITS CFEL 5 I ALSO USED YOUR SPEECH AND OUR RECOGNITION OF THE NEED TO ADAPT NATO POLITICALLY AND MILITARILV AND TO DEVELOP CSCE TO REASSURE SHEVARDNADZE THAT THE PROCESS HOULD NOT YIELD WINNERS AND LOSERS INSTEAD IT HOULD PRODUCE A NEW LECITIMATE EUROPEAN STRUCTURE -- ONE THAT HOULD BE INCLUSIVE NOT EXCLUSIVE 6 SHEVARDNADZE RESPONDED UV SAVINC THAT THE SOVIETS AND MY COMMENTS AT NATO INDEED THAT OUR DISCUSSION OF THE NEW EUROPEAN ARCHITECTURE HAS COMPATIBLE HITH MUCH OF THEIR THINHINC THOUCH THEIR THINNIHC HAS STILL HEIHC DEVELOPED HE SAID THEY ACREED THERE SHOULD SE NO DISCRIMINATION AGAINST THE THO CERMANIES OR IN Monmoqd 131ng eguapgsald IMMEDIATE I am WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM PAGE DA OF 95 THE ONE GERMANY THAT WAS THE MEANING OF THE TWO-PLUS-FOUR WHERE AFTER ALL THE TWO GERMANIES WERE SITTING AS FULL AND EOUAL PARTNERS 7 IN ANSWER TO MY CHARACTERIZATION OF THE TWO-PLUS-FOUR AS A STEERING GROUP DISCUSSING AND DIRECTING ISSUES TO OTHER FORA SHEVARDNADZE SAID HE NEEDED TO THINK MORE ABOUT THIS HE NOTED THAT THE SOVIETS REALLY THOUGHT OF THE TWO-PLUS-FOUR AS A DECISION-MAKING BODY NOT MERELY AS AN ADVISORY GRGUP HE ALSD FELT THAT IT SHDULD NGT RUSH T0 MARE DEGISIGNS AND ITS MDRH THE TWO-PLUS-FOUR NEEDED TD ADDRESS MANI ISSUES AND NEEDED TIME TO DO THAT THE SOVIETS MGULD NOT ENGDURAGE DELAI BUT FELT THE TMD-PLUS-EDUR SHDULD GE HDRHING IN PARALLEL NITH GSGE AND WITH CFE AS HE PUT IT THE THREE SHDULD BE SEEN AS A KIND OF SINGLE 8 NE DID NGT USE THE TERM BUT HE CLEARLY NAS TRYING To DEVELOP A RELATIDNSHIP DETHEEN THE TWO-PLUS-FOUR AND THE DTNER PGLITIGAL MILITARI EcoNoMIc PRDGESSES IN EURGPE 9 HAVE TO SEE IF ME GHANNEL THAT IN THE RIGHT DIREGTIDN MHILE NDT DN THE SAME WAVE LENGTH I THINH OUR GDNGEPT OF TWO-PLUS-FOUR AS A STEERING GRGUP MIGHT IET HAVE SDME APPEAL TO THEM ID MOVING THEM DN GERMANY IN NATO HILL PRDDAGLI PROVE MDRE DIFFICULT HE EMPHASIZED AGAIN THE DIFFICULTY THEI HAVE -- ESPEGIALLI THE SOVIET PUDLIG HAS -- DE AGGEPTING A UNIFIED GERMANY - IMPLIGITLI AGGEPTING THE or AGREEING THAT NEUTRALITY WAS NDT THE ANSWER FOR LONG-TERM STAGILITI AND STATING GLEARLI THAT THE SOVIETS MANT US MILITARY INDT IUST PDLTIGAL AND PRESENGE IN EURGPE INDEED HE SAID THE US MILITARY PRESENGE MUST REMAIN IN mlqg' I IMMEDIATE WHITE HOUSE SITUATION ROOM PAGE B5 OF US EUROPE FOR AT LEAST SEVEN TO TEN YEARS PROBABLY LONGER 11 WHAT COMES THROUGH IS THAT THE SOVIETS KNOW HOW TO SOUARE THE CIRCLE WRESTLING WITH IT I SUSPECT THAT GORBACHEV WANT TO TAKE ON THIS KIND OF AN EMOTIONALLY CHARGED POLITICAL ISSUE NOW AND ALMOST CERTAINLY NOT BEFORE THE PARTY CONGRESS a 0 #6913 a I SECTION 93 OF 93 SECTO 06913 NODIS FOR S AND - EYES ONLY 12 I PRESENTED OUR PACKAGE ON ALCMS AND MAKING IT CLEAR THAT IT HAD BEEN DIFFICULT FOR US TO MOVE IN THIS FASHION AND SAYING WE GO FURTHER I ALSO SAID I WANT TO GO TO MOSCOW 0 IN ELEVEN DAYS WITH THESE ISSUES UNRESOLVED SHEVARDNADZE CALLED THE PACKAGE A MAJOR STEP ON OUR PART HE WANTED TO STUDY IT BEFORE FORMALLY RESPONDING BUT PROMISED AN ANSWER BY EARLY NEXT WEEK HE CAUTIONED ONLY THAT OUR INABILITY TO ACCEPT AN ALCM CARRYING HEAVY BOMBER SUB-CEILING MIGHT BE A PROBLEM SINCE THIS LEFT OPEN A CHANNEL THAT NEEDED TO BE CONTROLLED BUT HE SAID THIS WAS ONLY A PRELIMINARY RESPONSE AND HE AGAIN NOTED THAT WE HAD CLEARLY MOVED BAKER BT Adoocnoqd 112 1qu 91111913353151                     National Security Archive    Suite 701  Gelman Library  The George Washington University    2130 H Street  NW  Washington  D C  20037    Phone  202 994‐7000  Fax  202 994‐7005  nsarchiv@gwu edu