Approved for Release 2018 07 31 C06665564 FROM NatSecAct Date NatSecAct A 6 TO ALEC M3 SUBJECT EYES ONLY - DETAILS 2002 FIRST INTERROGATION SESSION WITH AL-RAHIM NatSecAct NatSecAct NatSecAct NatSecAct NatSecAct NetSecAct my NOV 02 11322 13 WW NatSecAct 11322 NatSecAct TO IMMEDIATE ALEC INFO DIRECTOR - NatSecAct NatSecAct SUBJECT EYES ONLY - DETAILS OF NOVEMBER 2002 FIRST INTERROGATION SESSION WITH AL-RAHIM REF NatSecAct TEXT 20141 sz comma 1 W0 NatSecAct - 1 ACTION REQUIRED NONE FYI ONLY 2 SUMMARY 0N INTERROGATION 7 PHASE OF SENIOR OPERATIVE AL-RAHIM AL-HNASHIRIH AKA MULLAH SUBJECT SUBJECT UNDERWENT TWO SEPARATE Approved for Release 2018 07 31 C06665564 1 3 NatSecAct Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 INTERROGATION SESSIONS THE FIRST SESSION LASTED FROM 1107 - 1252 HOURS SECOND SESSION LASTED FROM 1555 1350 HOURS AND WILL BE REPORTED SEPARATELY IN THIS FIRST INTERROGATION SESSION SUBJECT WAS AGGRESSIVELY INTERROGATED ON HIS KNOWLEDGE OF AND NatSeCAct INVOLVEMENT IN REF A PARA TWO OPERATIONS AGAINST U S INTERESTS IN SAUDI ARABIA INTERROGATION ESCALATED RAPIDLY FROM SUBJECT BEING AGGRESSIVELY DEBRIEFED BY INTERROGATORS WHILE STANDING AT THE WALLING WALL TO MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS OF THE WALLING TECHNIQUE AND ULTIMATELY MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS OF THE WATERING TECHNIQUE THROUGHOUT THE INTERROGATION SESSION SUBJECT WAS CHALLENGED ON SEPARATE DETAINEE NatSecAct NatSecAct 3 THE FIRST INTERROGATION SESSION ON NOVEMBER 2002 BEGAN AT 1107 HOURS WHEN SECURITY TEAM ENTERED THE SUBJECT HANDCUFFED AND BACKED AGAINST THE WALLING WALL WHERE HE WATCHED SECURITY TEAM DRAG THE SMALL Box BACK INTO THE CELL INTERROGATORS AND LINGUIST ENTERED THE ROOM AND THE ROLLED SUPPORT WAS PLACED AROUND NECK INTERROGATORS TOLD SUBJECT ICILY THAT THEY HAD GIVEN HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO PEOPLE NICER THAN THEM ABOUT THE INFORMATION THEY WANTED TO KNOW BUT SUBJECT HAD NOT TOLD THE TRUTH AND NOW HAD TO SUEFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF HIS DECEPTION SUBJECT WAS TOLD THAT THE INTERROGATORS WERE INDIFFERENT ON THE MATTER BUT IF SUBJECT CHOSE THE HARD WAY IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE PLEASANT AND THE OUTCOME WOULD BE THE SAME SUBJECT WOULD TELL US THE INFORMATION HE POSSESSED WITHOUT LYING Lgi NatSecAct 1 INTERROGATORS IMMEDIATELY USED AN ATTENTION GRAB FOLLOWED BY MULTIPLE APPLICATIONS OF THE WALLING TECHNIQUE FORCEFULLY DIRECTING THE SUBJECT NOT TO TELL THEM LIES I NatSeCAct Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 CIAA Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 A NatSeOAct THE WALLING TECHNIQUE WAS APPLIED MULTIPLE TIMES AS INTERROGATORS DIRECTED SUBJECT TO STOP LYING TO Mm- NatSeOAct SUBJECT WAS HE HAD BETTER PULL HIMSELF TOGETHER AND TALK EARNING HIMSELF ANOTHER APPLICATION OF THE WALLING NatSeCAct TECHNIQUE AS INTERROGATORS AGAIN DEMANDED THAT SUBJECT TELL THEM WHAT PLANS WERE MADE AND WHAT WAS SAID AT THIS SESSION SUBJECT MUMBLED INTERROGATORS HAD THE SECURITY TEAM BRING IN THE WATER BOARD NatSecAct INTERROGATORS USED THE ATTENTION GRAB TELLING SUBJECT THAT THEY HAD GIVEN HIM A CHANCE TO TELL HIS STORY THE NICE Now IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE SO NICE SUBJECT WAS AGAIN TOLD TO START TALKING - HE AGAIN PROTESTED THAT HE COULD NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING INTERROGATORS EXPLAINED TO SUBJECT THAT IF ONE DETAINEE HAD TOLD THEM SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM SUBJECT THEY WOULD QUESTION IT BUT GIVE HIM THE BENEFIT OF THE Dom ClAAct NatSecAct THE WALLING TECHNIQUE WAS APPLIED SIMULTANEOUSLY FOR EMPHASIS SUBJECT REPEATED HIS LITANY THAT HE WAS NOT LYING HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AND WAS CONSTANTLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT HE COULD TELL INTERROGATORS INTEROGATORS TOLD SUBJECT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REPEAT NAMES TO HIM AGAIN AND THAT HE HAD BETTER COOPERATE 5 AS INTERROGATORS RAN THROUGH LIST OF NAMES IN REF A PARA TWO B SUBJECT CONTINUED TO DENY THAT HE KNEW ANY OF INTERROGATORS CONTINUED TO APPLY THE WALLING TECHNIQUE WHILE REPEATING THAT SUBJECT WAS NOT GIVING THEM THE RESPONSES THEY NEEDED mm NatSeOAct AND THE WALLING TECHNIQUE WAS AGAIN APPLIED INTERROGATORS COMMENTING THAT THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING WAS JUST NOT WORKING MOVED SUBJECT ON TO THE WATER BOARD AND HAD HIM RECLINE WHILE STRAPPING 5 SUBJECT IN INTERROGATORS PROVIDED A LITANY OF THE TOPICS SUBJECT COULD TALK ABOUT TO STOP WHAT WAS ABOUT TO COME NatSeCAct Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 NatSecAct SUBJECT WAS LEFT STRAPPED TO THE WATERBOARD TO CONTEMPLATE HIS FATE AT 1127 INTERROGATORS AND LINGUIST DEPARTED THE CELL TO CONSULT WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE INTERROGATION TEAM 6 AT 1147 HOURS INTERROGATORS AND LINGUIST RETURNED TO THE CELL AND TOLD SUBJECT THEY WERE GIVING HIM ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO STOP WHAT WAS TO COME NO MATTER WHAT SUBJECT THOUGHT MIGHT HAPPEN TO HIM INTERROGATORS WERE NOT GOING TO LET SUBJECT COME TO GRAVE INDEED THEY WERE GOING TO ENSURE THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THEY WOULD POSE TO HIM AGAIN AND AGAIN SUBJECT ASKED INTERROGATORS TO EVERYTHING NatSecAct Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 NatSeCAct INTERROGATORS SPLASHED WATER ON CHEST AND TOLD HIM THAT HIS ANSWER WAS NOT SATISFACTORY SUBJECT PLEADED THAT HE WAS REALLY TRYING TO RECALL NOTHING WAS COMING TO HIM HE REMEMBER ANY ONE SPECIFIC PERSON WHO HE HAD TALKED T0 ABOUT THESE THINGS NatSeCAct MN 8 INTERROGATORS TOLD SUBJECT THEY BELIEVE HIM AND NatSeCAct DEMANDED HE TELL THEM SUBJECT DENIED KNOWING ANYTHING AT ALL RELATED TO CONTINUED TO CRY INTERROGATORS TOLD SUBJECT THEY KNEW HE HELPED TO PLAN OPERATIONS NatSeCAct Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 i 1 3 3 Approved for Release 2018 07 31 C06665564 NatSecAct NatSecAct NatSeCAct SUBJECT AGAIN PROMISED TO TELL EVERYTHING HE KNEW BUT ADDED THAT HE KNEW NOTHING INTERROGATORS TOLD SUBJECT TREATMENT WAS APPLIED AT 1214 HOURS TELL THEM ABOUT NatSecAct THE WATER INTERROGATORS DEMANDED SUBJECT Approved for Release NatSecAct Egg NatSeCAct Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 INTERROGATORS COVERED HEAD WITH THE HOOD AND LEFT HIM ON THE WATER BOARD MOANING SHAKING AND ASKING GOD TO HELP HIM INTERROGATORS AND LINGUIST DEPARTED THE ROOM TO CONFER AGAIN WITH REMAINDER OF INTERROGATION TEAM AT 1216 HOURS 11 INTERROGATORS AND LINGUIST RETURNED TO THE CELL AT 1229 HOURS AND ADJUSTED HEAD RESTRAINT WHILE TELLING HIM THAT ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS TELL THEM EVERYTHING SUBJECT SAID THAT HE WOULD AND ADDED THAT NatSeCAct NatSecAct 12 SUBJECT WAS TOLD TO EXPLAIN THIS TO SAID THAT HE WOULD COOPERATE WELL WITH 1 INTERROGATORS AND THAT HE WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE THEM WITH INFORMATION 3 WHAT THEY TOLD HIM REMINDED HIM SUBJECT ALSO STATED THAT HE KNEW INTERROGATORS DEMANDED SUBJECT TELL THEM MORE ABOUT SAID HE REMEMBER THE DETAILS INTERROGATORS HAD JUST PROVIDED HIM NOTING THAT NatSecAct SUBJECT PLEADED WITH INTERROGATORS THAT IN THE NAME OF GOD HE WOULD TELL THEM EVERYTING INTERROGATORS REMINDED SUBJECT THAT THEY CARE How THEY ACQUIRED INFORMATION FROM SUBJECT HE WAS GOING To PROVIDE THEM WITH ADDITIONAL DETAILS SUBJECT ASKED INTERROGATORS To LET HIM REMEMBER IF THERE WAS ANY OTHER INFORMATION 1 NatSeCAct INTERROGATORS STATED THAT SUBJECT KNEW MUCH MORE THAN AS SUBJECT PROTESTED TO THE CONTRARY INTERROGATORS APPLIED THE WATER TREATMENT AT 1340 HOURS INTERROGATORS REPEATED TO SUBJECT THAT THEY WANTED TO KNOW OF OPERATIONS AGAINST THE U S SUBJECT WAS NOT BEING HONEST WITH THEM AND THEY WERE WILLING TO CONTINUE TO GIVE SUBJECT THE SAME TREATMENT DAY IN AND DAY OUT FOR MONTHS IF NEED BE UNTIL SUBJECT DECIDED TO COOPERATE SUBJECT CRIED THAT ANYTHING HE KNEW HE WOULD TELL THEM AND BEGAN TO SPEAK OF THE HORMUZ INTERROGATORS CUT HIM OFF TELLING SUBJECT THAT THAT THEY WANTED TO Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 mm mom NatSecAct Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 NatSecAct HEAR ABOUT OTHER TARGETS SUBJECT AGAIN SAID THAT THERE WERE NO OPERATIONS THEY TALKING OPERATIONS AND BEGGED INTERROGATORS TO TELL HIM MORE SO THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO REMEMBER WHAT THEY WANTED 13 INTERROGATORS TOLD SUBJECT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO GIVE INFORMATION -- HE WAS TO PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION THEY TOLD SUBJECT HE WAS GOING INTO THE SMALL BOX WHICH WAS GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SUBJECT TO THINK AGAIN ABOUT WHAT INTERROGATORS WANTED INTERROGATORS TOLD SUBJECT THAT HE HAD BETTER EMERGE FROM THE SMALL BOX WITH SOMETHING NEW TO TELL THEM SUBJECT CRIED THAT HE WISHED HE COULD REMEMBER AND PLEADED THAT HE WAS NOT LYING TO THEM INTERROGATOR STATED THAT WHEN THEY CAME BACK THEY WANTED TO HEAR ALL SUBJECT WAS UNSTRAPPED FROM THE WATER BOARD SAT UP AND AT INTERROGATOR DIRECTION MOVED TO THE SMALL BOX TREMBLING INVOLUNTARILY AND GOT IN INTERROGATORS REMINDED SUBJECT THAT THEY COULD DO THIS DAY AND NIGHT FOR AS LONG AS IT TOOK SUBJECT CRAWLED INTO THE SMALL BOX AND WAS LOCKED IN IT AT 1246 AT 1250 SECURITY TEAM UNLOCKED THE SMALL BOX REMOVED SUBJECT AND REMOVED THE REMAINDER 0F CLOTHING SUBJECT WAS RETURNED TO THE SMALL BOX AT 1252 NatSeCAct END OF MESSAGE Approved for Release 2018 07 31 006665564 This document is from the holdings of The 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