Approved for Release 2018 02 28 006718451 ate NatSecAct 20021% T0 NatSecAct FROM SUBJECT EYES ONLY - DETAILS 2002 INTERROGATION SESSIONS WITH AL- RAHIM HUSAYN MUHAMMAD NASHIR BODY NatSeCAct NatSecAct 1 NatSeCAct mm 3 A atsec Ct NatSeCAct NatSecAct PAGE 001 DEC 02 Dunn DEC 02 STAFF Ebgg3 3 NatSecAct 3 A at ec ct To mom EEC mp4 DIRECTOR 3 398 NatSecAct SUBJECT EYES ONLY DETAILS 2002 INTERROGATION SESSIONS WITH AL-RAHIM HUSAYN MUHAMMAD NASHIR REF NONE NatSecAct TEXT COMBINE COMPLETE 1 ACTION REQUIRED NONE FYI ALSO DEFER TO HEADQUARTERS ON DISSEMINATION OF ALL OR PART OF THE BELOW IN INTEL FORMAT 2 SUMMARY ONDNOVEMBER 2002 DAY 16 0F EASE AGGRESSIVE PHASE INTERROGATIONS OF SENIOR OPERATIVE HUSAYN MUHAMMAD AKA MULLAH SUBJECT NatSeCAct SUBJECT WAS QUESTIONED FOR APPROXIMATELY ONE-AND-A-HALF HOURS BY HVT Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 TOPICS RELATED TO CURRENT THREATS TO U S INTERESTS DURING THE INTERROGATION SUBJECT EXHIBITED SIGNS OF RESISTANCE AND PROVIDED LITTLE NEW OR VERIFIABLE INFORMATION NatSecAct AFTER THE MORNING INTERROGATION SESSION CONCLUDED SUBJECT WAS LEFT ALONE FOR APPROXIMATELY 45 MINUTES A SECOND PLANNING MEETING WAS HELD A THEATRICALLY FLAWLESS SCENARIO DESIGNED TO ACCOMPLISH FOUR THINGS ALL AIMED AT DECREASING ABILITY TO PREDICT OR CONTROL EVENTS As A RESISTOR - DISRUPT EXPECTATIONS OF EVENTS AND HOW HE CAN CONTEND WITH CONTROL - INCREASE ANXIETY FOR HIS - INCREASE CONDITIONING OF LEARNED - INCREASE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN NatSecAct BY TELLING SUBJECT IT WAS TIME TO GO TO WORK AND THAT INTERROGATORS HAD TAKEN GREAT PAINS TO CLEARLY AND REPEATEDLY EXPLAIN TO SUBJECT THAT THINGS WOULD GO WORSE FOR HIM IF HE CONTINUED TO DELAY PROVIDING TRUTHFUL COMPLETE INFORMATION ON THREATS TO U s INTERESTS SUBJECT WAS TOLD THAT INTERROGATORS WOULD FACTOR HIS COOPERATION INTO THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR HIS TREATMENT AT THE NEW MUCH WORSE PLACE TO SUBJECT HE WOULD BE GOING WITHIN DAYS SUBJECT NODDED AND SAID HE UNDERSTOOD AND WOULD TELL EVERYTHING HE KNEW SUBJECT WAS TOLD TO BEGIN BY TALKING ABOUT HIS KNOWLEGE OF OPERATIONS THAT WERE EITHER BEING PLANNED Approved for Release 2018 02 28 006718451 Approved for Release 2018 02 28 006718451 1 DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED BY OR ITS SUPPORTERS DURING GATHERINGS TO OCCUR NatSeCAct IN THE WORLD ESPECIALLY IN THE GULF WHERE WE KNOW YOU HAD NatSecAct NatSeOAct NatSeCAct NatSecAct Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 NatSecAct NatSecAct NatSecAct 11 Emma SUBJECT TO GET BACK ONTO THE TOPIC AT HAND Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 ClAAct NatSeCAct ClAAct 12 ESAID THAT HE WAS NOT PLEASED WITH ANSWERS AND THAT THEY WOULD CHANGE TOPICS TO GIVE SUBJECT ANOTHER CHANCE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND TO HOPEFULLY MAKE LIFE LESS INTOLERABLE AT THE SUBJECT WAS GOING SUBJECT WAS TOLD TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT AND ALIASES NatSecAct NatSeCAct NatSecAct ClAAct NatSecAct NatSecAct Approved for Release 2018 02 28 006718451 Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 NatSecAct NatSecAct NatSeCAct NatSecAct Approved for Release 2018 02 28 006718451 Approved for Release 2018 02 28 006718451 ClAAct NatSeCAct NatSecAct NatSecAct b 1 3 3 NatSecAct NatSecAct 25 SAID POINTING TO TWO BLACK-SUITED SECURITY TEAM MEMBERS STANDING NEXT TO SUBJECT PARTICULARLY Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 NatSecAct Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 NatSeCAct CHOSEN BECAUSE THEIR BROTHERS THEY ARE VERY AGITATED ABOUT WHAT YOU HAVE SAID AND NOT SAID I SUGGEST YOU BE VERY CAREFUL IN WITH SUBJECT AND 1 DEPARTED LEAVING SUBJECT STANDING AGAINST THE WALL SECURITY TEAM MEMBERS GUIDED SUBJECT TO THE CORNER OF THE CELL AND HAD HIM SIT DOWN AND LOCKED THE CELL DOORS AT NatSecAct 26 ENACTMENT OF SCENARIO SUBJECT WAS LEFT ALONE FOR APPROXIMATELY 45 MINUTES BASE STAFF HELD A MEETING THAT INCLUDED SECURITY TEAM MEMBERS DURING THE PLANS FOR STAGING A FAKE RESCUE SCENARIO EXPLAINED THAT AS WITH EVERYTHING IN AN INTERROGATION THE THEATRICS WOULD NOT BE NatSecAct GRATUITOUS AND THAT THEY HAD A PURPOSE THE FIRST PRIORITY OF ALL INVOLVED WOULD BE TO NOT HURT THE SUBJECT AND THE SECOND PRIORITY WOULD BE TO MAKE THE RESCUE SCENARIO SEEM REAL ENOUGH TO THE SUBJECT TO HAVE THE DESIRED EFFECTS NAMELY FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN A LACK OF CONTROL OVER AN UNPREDICTABLE THAT IF SUBJECT FOUND WAYS TO TO HIMSELF PROVIDING INFORMATON ONLY UNDER THREAT SUBJECT COULD BEGIN To INTERROGATORS- BEHAVIOR INSTEAD OF BEING CONDITIONED HIMSELF AND THUS EXACT A MEASURE OF CONTROL OVER HIS OUT AND REHEARSED THE THEATRICS WITH FOUR SECURITY TEAM MEMBERS WHO WERE CAUTIONED REPEATEDLY TO MAKE A LOT OF NOISE AVOID HURTING THE SUBJECT AND NOT To SHOUT ANYTHING IN ENGLISH 27 AT SECURITY TEAM MEMBERS BURST INTO CELL SHOUTING AND HOWLING KICKING THE CELL BARS AND THROWING THE CELL DOOR OPEN WITH A SCREACH AND A CRASH NatSeCAct SUBJECT WAS BROUGHT TO HIS FEET AND MOVED QUICKLY TO THE WALLING PANEL WHO COULD NOT BE SEEN BY HOODED SUBJECT - AND SECURITY TEAM MEMBERS YELLED KICKED THE CELL BARS AND SMALL Box AND THE WALLING PANEL WITH THEIR FISTS THIS CONTINUED WHILE PUT THE ROLLED SUPPORT AROUND THE NECK OF THE COWERING SUBJECT AND WALLED HIM FIVE TIMES WHILE SHOUTING CONTINUED SUBJECT WAS TURNED AROUND AND LED BACK TO HIS CORNER AT THIS POINT 20 SECONDS AFTER THE TEAM FIRST ENTERED THE CELL EHOUTED ANGRILY IN ENGLISH THE HELL IS GOING ON IN YOU THERE ALL OF YOU GET OUT OF SECURITY TEAM ABRUPTLY LEFT WITH SUBJECT SITTING IN THE CORNER OF HIS CELL 28 WITH THE CELL SUDDENLY QUIET SUBJECT COULD BE HEARD SOBBING AND WAS SEEN TO BE DOWN AND REMOVED HOOD AND ASKED SUBJECT THEY HURT WHAT SUBJECT SAID NOTHING BUT SHOOK HIS HEAD ASKED AGAIN IF SUBJECT HAD BEEN HURT AND ASKED SUBJECT STARTED WHAT DID YOU AFTER DETERMINING SUBJECT WAS UNHURT GOT AND SHOUTED T0 SECURITY TEAM TO SHUT THE GATE AFTER A THE CELL WITH TRANSLATOR REPEATED HIS QUESTIONS SUBJECT CONTINUED TO CRY BUT SAID THAT HE WAS NOT HURT SUBJECT WAS LEFT ALONE AND MONITORED CLOSELY BY TEAM FOR THIRTY MINUTES HE COULD BE NatSecAct Approved for Release 2018 02 28 C06718451 Approved for Release 2018 02 28 006718451 SEECCRYING AND BLOWING HIS NOSE AND AFTER PERHAPS 10 MINUTES COMPOSED HIMSELF AND COULD BE SEEN SITTING QUIETLY IN THE CORNER OF HIS CELL ON SOME TISSUE WHICH HE HAD CAREFULLY FOLDED INTO A THAT THE RESCUE THEATRICS HAD GONE EXACTLY AS PLANNED AND HAD SERVED THEIR INTENDED PURPOSE NatSecAct NatSecAct END OF MESSAGE Approved for Release 2018 02 28 006718451 This document is from the holdings of The National Security Archive Suite 701 Gelman Library The George Washington University 2130 H Street NW Washington D C 20037 Phone 202 994-7000 Fax 202 994-7005 nsarchiv@gwu edu