DECLASSIFIED DECLASSIFIED A k 1 967 Egg 3 3173 c'arynin Secretary Kissinger October 13 12713 K Here is hat we will do the message which you have sent us will not go to the Security Council tonight even tough the orig 1 p 21 idea was to go at 6 00 We will wait and make a de 9 on on ho - to proceed until 9 00 K 9 03 tornorow morning which will be a whole day in the Middle w- 11' you w 'uld have if you could get me an answer from E3830 oseov tvhic is a little bit more specific D On whatvery difficult positicn to do it publicly K But i vou can give indications privately you and I have handled crises before We are interested in a result cease-fire and status qu ante estimate by Tuesday you will be asking us It isn't a question we are not asking for a favor We are trying to prevent exacerbation of our relationship The situation in this country with public opinion and Congress very serious consequences It you tell us by Monday morning this thing will be over there will oe no debate D What K If you tell us you believe by Monday there is an effective cease-fire and status quo ante don't worry we don't want to do this by public affair If you tell us something else that of course would be kept confidential as everything D I understand K In effect you to agree by tomorrow morning for public action concerned practical action that will D Re a1 1y tell Gromyko and Bros mev b '1 uesday the situation will be K Rim 2- our reading on the situation that Arab attacked has bee totally c 11- 21 21 ed 'lney are now going to be back possibly will te - ated as Israeli i'nobilization is completed after that xiibefore We think if we l i_be sewed 11 5 151b '- ovcd their mi m11 -111 to ti talus ohmic 1 50th DECLASSI FIED - - 2 - i fnat do you think might you really suggest from our - i our position which was really principle the 67 war K I know your position D It is no a public debate I am telling you for us to tell the Arabs very dszicuiz Don't near from Moscow another difficulty new facing quesusn trees 'ng what they feel necessary lands accompanied by Israel They clefizzitel r using this argument with us Very difficult for us to tell them look here you shouldn't do that K I understand your difficulty It isn't at all easy we also have difficult situation Haven t been kept Israel lands of Damascas Cairo Don't proposal for political to imagine D course of action you would public Security Council K Defacto return to status quo ante de factor return to cease-fire I have alre ady told Egypt that I would make effort after Israeli election I have already told Gromyko I would make an effort None of this I would do if framework We could compromise in and going to looks It isn't D I understand military point of View you know situation better than t's not politically is a question K These D Question to near asking them to let similar if they have nothing K We have perhaps we can't let this war continue until the when the Israelis have pushed the Arabs out of every territory but haven't started clobbering the Arabs If we are losing want the exact moment possibly Arabs can hold on for 24 hours little to capture and we wait for a settlement Anatoly with all respect we will face this problem in the next 48 hours one way or another if we do nothing by Tuesday Wednesday at the latest Amber will have been defeated D lander-stand K At that pain are we going to do you $9 421 on e more Egypt i will b-Z l' will DECLASSIFIEDB 3 0 03 1 57111 115 1 3night You can count on I will approach them 1 2 13 1 setter to tell them from us it will look as don't seen trying too all them 311 K We will no so to See 11 i'2y Council tonight give a chance to think you and 3 31 11 tr to get any message from Moscow at 9 00 tomorrow ninzr D 9 or 10 03 K Alter 1100 the- 113 1 D 4 00 they a a setting in Savidabo what kind of discussion on weekend going on K I can v 11 what kind of discussion going on at this hour at 1 00 in the morning D It will not be K I unders'81er aroudn Savidabo peOple are we r y happy D Also trus tGro nyko' ingenuity If you have a_ 31 ideas during course of night I will call you K Not at night I sleep quietly What you have to understand is we have no to us if it turns into propaganda battle we will have the non-aligned and you and everyone else on Monday in the GA will only protection we have is to be extremely tough and the facts of life D I understandopening Look I don't know You like us to give back territory which belongs to us K Can' v 3 it you 111 sder tand Effort going to be made for negotiation Certainly now public point of original to start We don't know what you are going to tell them By Monday evening going to be thrown out of there anyway D New at rate-c of using threat of K J uer tion practicalGive back ta 1 1 01 - 1 1Lbelongs to them always hnlon i c you1 dile 121112 3 1 -731 Rumianr 213131 2331-113 in with the US 1 x Tatum-en fro 01$ h - a one Uu 3 speaking officially If you and we could find a way 0 12 this 223 5 22 i' would be overwhelming Argument - as to a neat nearer-hes have been of our relationship overwhelming on these - hay a bee ' iting while if it goes to other way if you and W8 44 5 1 1 D Calling of name on this we could give assurances not sure about Israel nething against the US K Hope I could us on this particular American line D Will well it $ 73qu still not change specific condition K Coming bee to is practical thing I understand practically important for us to say D Things directed against both of us K I agree We don'tknow what would result from what to do Right now to tell Sadat Anatoly going to be a brutal mess in the General Assembly You blood bath Allies going to get up and you will have to do as well as they D Allies pipeline No No Asian allies D Asian allies criticize both of us K You will have 0 say something General Assembly going to be a mess This should give ti rm demands to the proposal report to Gromyko and Brezhnev I will report on conversation immediately to D Can t ask Arabs to give uplands OK maybe you can find another solution K Let's not let tine slip by I believe military situation will I'apidly turn sour END DECLASSIFIED AuthorityNN 99939312 Gal TELECON Amb Dobrynin Secretary Kissinger October 13 1973 K here is what we will do The message which you have sent us We will not go to the Security Council tonight even though the original idea was to go at 6 00 We will wait and make a decision on how to proceed until 9 00 D Morning K 9 00 tomorrow morning which will be a whole day in the Middle East conflict If you would have if you can get me an answer from Moscow which is a little bit more specific D On what put me in a very difficult position to do so publicly K But if you can give indications privately you and I have handled crises before We are interested in a result cease fire and status quo ante estimate by Tuesday you will be asking us It isn't a question we are not asking for a favor We are trying to prevent exacerbation of our relationship The situation in this country with public opinion and Congress very serious consequences If you tell us by Monday morning this thing will be over there will be no debate D What K If you tell us you believe by Monday there is an effective cease-fire and status quo ante don't worry we don't want to do this by public affair If you tell us something else would be kept confidential as everything D I understand K In effect you to agree by tomorrow morning for public action concerned practical action that will D Really tell Gromyko and Brezhnev the situation will be K Right now our reading on the situation that Arab attacked has been totally contained They are now going to be pushed back possibly will be annihilated as Israeli mobilization's completed after that we will see what we have see we have times before We think if the matter could be sewed up tomorrow Arabs proved their point attacks across the Canal and return to the status quo ante Both -2avoid D Do not understand What do you think might you really suggest from our point of view You know our position which was really principle the 67 war K I know your position D It is not a public debate I am telling you for us to tell the Arabs very difficult Don't hear from Moscow another difficulty new facing question Arabs doing what they feel necessary lands accompanied occupied by Israel They definitely using this argument with us Very difficult for use to tell them look here you shouldn't do that K I understand your difficulty It isn't at all easy we also have difficult situation Haven't been kept Israel lands of Damascus Cairo Don't proposal for political to imagine D Our course of action you would public Security Council K Defacto return to status quo ante de facto return to cease-fire I have already told Egypt that I would make effort after Israeli election I have already told Gromyko I would make an effort None of this I would do if framework We could compromise in and going to looks It isn't D I understand military point of view you know situation better then It's not politically is a question K These D Question to near asking them to let similar if they have nothing K We have perhaps we can't let this war continue until the when the Israelis have pushed the Arabs out of every territory but haven't started clobbering the Arabs If we are losing want the exact moment possibly Arabs can hold on for 24 hours little to capture and we wait for a settlement Anatoly with all respect we will fact this problem in the next 48 hours one way or another if we do nothing by Tuesday Wednesday at latest Arabs will have been defeated D I understand K At this point what are we going to do D Would you approach once more Egypt K Think I understand D illegible will be very helpful I will -3K I will approach them tonight You can count on I will approach them DL Much better to personally tell them from us it will look as don't seem trying to sell them out K We will not to Security Council tonight give a chance to think you and we think try to get any message from Moscow at 9 00 tomorrow morning D 9 or 10 00 K After noon there now D 4 00 - they are setting in Zavidavo what kind of discussion on weekend going on K I can imagine what kind of discussion going on at this hour at 1 00 in the morning D It will not be K I understand around Zavidavo people are very happy D Also I trust Gromyko's ingenuity If you have any ideas during course of night I will call you K Not at night I sleep quietly What you have to understand is that we have no to us if it turns into propaganda battle we will have the non-aligned and you and everyone else on Monday in the GA will only protection we have is to be extremely tough and the facts of life D I understand for us to go opening Look I don't know You like us to give back territory which belongs to us K Can't wait you understand Effort going to be made for negotiation Certainly now public point of original to start We don't know what you are gong to tell them By Monday evening going to be thrown out of there anyway D New strategy of using threat of K Question really is practical D Practical point of view Give back territory that belong to them always belong to them I understand your dilemma K Cairo China illegible Russians really were in collusion with the US and Israel illegible Retreat from territory we - 4D Exactly amount to this one K One other thing Not speaking officially If you and we could find a way of stopping this now then it would be overwhelming Argument as to what practical consequences have been of our relationship overwhelming on these thing we have been waiting while if it goes the other way if you and we are going to be D Calling of names on this we could give assurances not sure bout Israel nothing against the US K Hope I could on this particular American line D Weill well it would still not change specific condition K Coming back to the practical thing I understand practically important for us to say D Things directed against both of us K I agree We don't know what would result from what to do Right now to tell Sadat Anatoly going to be a brutal mess in the General Assembly You - blood bath Allies going to get up and you will have to do as well as they D Allies pipeline K No No Asian allies China D Asian allies criticize both of us K You will have to say something General Assembly going to be a mess This should give time demands to the proposal report to Gromyko and Brezhnev I will report on conversation immediately to D Can't ask Arabs to give up lands OK maybe you can find another solution K Let's not let time slip by I believe military situation will rapidly turn sour END This document is from the holdings of The National Security Archive Suite 701 Gelman Library The George Washington University 2130 H Street NW Washington D C 20037 Phone 202 994-7000 Fax 202 994-7005 nsarchiv@gwu edu