Ana-Qaryk W - Byn 'fL NARA Dale 19 5557 i Approved in 9 12 64 Member 11 1964 Miscellanews Mutter Amhaudor fluidly F USER Llewellyn E Thompson Amhaaudor at-Luqe Dig-11mm Stat- 3 Mr unit-d me to lunch followinghis return hisdapnrtura Chin-Ia Communist cmdnuthq an atomic tut Ho replica cmntutuulmouwthnenow Dom-m med quite hut-rum humming whom we were working on my 9011 01me plum My with respect to Gummy gmdmonWrundthIAm-n- net had a mating for amnl hill SECRET -2- the Eastern European Communist countries I said that as he knewitwasourpolicytoimprove ourreletimewithellcom- triee but as he must be aware we irequently ran into been Congress sometimes put speci c leml restrictions on some oi our activities I mid therdore it was to do a certain amount of public education He appeared to under- stand my point Iaakedthe Ambassador iihehadanyindication oithetiming oi the Chairman's visit to Bonn He replied he did not but when I pressed him he expressed his personal opinion that it would not take place in the next month or two In return Dobrynin asked if the President had my plane for travel after the election I said I understood that the Presi- dent did not wish to leave the eomtry until there wee a Vice President and pointed out that this would not happen until the end of the your Dobrynin raised the queetion on a possible visit by the President to General de Geulle and said that per- hape the President could visit de Gaulle Erhard and then the Soviet Union I said I had no idea at what the President s thinking was on this subject On his own initiative Dobrynin asked what I thought on Soviet reletimswith Communist China Isaidtbatlmunsble to understand Communist Chinese policy and said that in view or all the they were having internally it was difficult to understand why they Med their quarrel with the Soviet Union so vigorously I tried to get him to discuss the border quarrel but without success When I mentioned tint the Chinese leadershipweeiarirozn young he saidthatthiewae true He mentioned that some at the leaders such as Chou En-Lai were somewhat younger but he said that Chou had little ends the decisions I inquired whether he thought the Chinese Parties eupportmq them and he eeid he thought this was quite possible Dobrynin asked me whether there was any truth in the rumors about various moves in our diplomatic eervioe including my own transfer to Rome I replied that this was pure mepaper speculation and so in as I knew there we nothing to these rumors whatever - DECLASSIHED NARA Date 22527 i SECRET 3 - Dobrynin asked several questions neon-ding the nature of my dutiee Acting Deputy Under Secretory and said that there was no equivalent position in the Soviet Foreign O ice When I referred to more of U'lhricht'e Dobrynin merely aid that for a good many your there were repeated rumor-e oi this kind and implied that there wee nothing to them I ukedhim lithe remodelingo our Emhoeey inMoeoowhed been completed thinking this he would then 111 the question of their desire to obtain a new location in Washington but he did not mention thin problem Dobrynin said that in the Soviet Foreign Service there was no compulsory retirement age He eeid that they could apply for retiremmt after age titty- ve He said thet meet at the peopleheknewwhohedretired eoonreqmtteditandtriedto get back into Government service He said that Deputy Foreign Minister Kumeteov wee ebwt eixty-thru or sixty- tour yearn deqehutwee mqoodheelth Mention of retiring Senator Goldwater-rid other Republicanlhed - that foreign think inthe event thetiordqn policyiemnewoa de eetmuymre Inidthetmyown opinion was thet domestic team would he more important be no critical issue ruled in our-bilateral reletione I pointed out that there were anumber or serioue problems such on Cyprus Viet Nem Indmeeie and Laos buthe I also drew attention to the Article 19 problem in the United Nations Dohrynin arid the his in Moscow that ifthey were paved oi'their vote inthe Genet- 1 Assembly they would probably withdrew I raid that if this problem were not solved it we I question of whether or not momma armmnom mmv s #1139211 2174 68 i NARA Date 9 2 527 I I SECRET 4 I we could continue our membership The Ambassador seemed I quite mu'prised at this and animal me if I seriously thought that such a development was possible I pointed out that it was the Congress that had to authorize our contribmim and Command throughout the country that we were carrying more than our were not trying to exploit this issue against them but merely wanted to solve it I reminded him that 81111091 2 year ago I the firmness of our position and said that as he knew Ambas- eador Stevenson had made a sincere e ort to work out with their representatives some solution LET mac This document is from the holdings of The National Security Archive Suite 701 Gelman Library The George Washington University 2130 H Street NW Washington D C 20037 Phone 202 994-7000 Fax 202 994-7005 nsarchiv@gwu edu