UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No Doc No 006009250 Date 04 23 2019 RELEASE IN FULL REVIEW AUTHORITY Paul Hilburn Senior Reviewer Wm PTQ6967 PAGE 01 SEOUL 06928 01 OF 04 0809102 ACTION SS-OO INFO LOG-00 ADS-00 SAS-OO 8A53F8 0809102 38 0 0809072 DEC 98 FM AMEMBASSY SEOUL TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 5560 INFO AMEMBASSY BEIJING IMMEDIATE AMEMBASSY TOKYO IMMEDIATE AMEMBASSY MOSCOW IMMEDIATE SECDEF WASHDC IMMEDIATE CJCS WASI-IDC IMMEDIATE USCINCPAC HONOLULU IMMEDIATE COMUSKOREA SEOUL IMMEDIATE 01 OF 04 SEOUL 006928 EXDIS SPECAT E O 12958 DECL AFTER KOREAN UNIFICATION TAGS PREL KS KN MNUC SUBJECT FORMER SECRETARY MEETING WITH PRESIDENT KIM REF SEOUL 6924 CLASSIFIED BY POL MIC JAMES C WHITLOCK REASONS 1 5 CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 SEOUL 06928 01 OF 04 0809102 B DR WILLIAM DECEMBER 7 MEETING WITH ROK PRESIDENT KIM DAE-JUNG THE PRESIDENTIAL PRESS SPOKESMAN RELEASED A NEARLY COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING ON THE BLUE HOUSE WEB SITE PROTEST TO THE BLUE HOUSE REGARDING RELEASE OF THE TRANSCRIPT IS REPORTED REFTEL THE TEXT OF THE TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS IN PARA 2 POST HAS APPENDED IN PARAS 3 AND 4 SOME MORE SENSITIVE COMMENTS THAT THE BLUE HOUSE DID NOT RELEASE ON ITS WEB SITE 2 U BEGIN TEXT OF BLUE HOUSE TRANSCRIPT PRESIDENT KIM AND DR PERRY EXCHANGED OPINIONS ON THE PEACE POLICY FOR THE KOREAN PENINSULA ON THE US SIDE STATE DEPARTMENT COUNSELOR WENDY SHERMAN AND FORMER DEFENSE DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR NONPROLIFERATION DEPARTMENT ASHTON CARTER ATTENDED THE MEETING ON THE KOREAN SIDE SENIOR UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No M-2018-02939 Doc No 006009250 Date 04 23 2019 UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No Doc No 006009250 Date 04 23 2019 PRESIDENTIAL SECRETARY FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND NATIONAL SECURITY LIM DONG WON AND BLUE HOUSE SPOKESMAN PARK JI WON WERE PRESENT PERRY I AM HONORED TO BE HERE PRESIDENT CLINTON HAS ASKED ME TO GIVE HIS BEST REGARDS TO YOU PRESIDENT KIM THANK YOU A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU TOO WHO IS A FRIEND OF KOREA AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CONVEYING PRESIDENT REGARDS PAGE 03 SEOUL 06928 01 OF 04 PERRY PRESIDENT CLINTON HAS STRONG IMPRESSIONS OF THE TALKS HE HAD IN SEOUL AND SAID THAT HE WAS PARTICULARLY IMPRESSED BY THE INSPIRING DISCUSSIONS HE HAD WITH YOU PRESIDENT KIM BEFORE HIS VISIT SOME OF THE KOREAN MEDIA SUSPECTED THE US AND ROK WERE DEVELOPING RIFTS OVER NORTH KOREA POLICIES HOWEVER PRESIDENT CLINTON ENDORSED THE ROK POSITION AND GAVE STRONG WORDS OF ENCOURAGEMENT REGARDING SECURITY AND ECONOMIC ISSUES THE KOREAN PEOPLE WERE ALL ENCOURAGED WHEN HE COMMENDED KOREA ON ITS POLICIES THE KOREAN MEDIA AND THE PEOPLE ARE VERY MUCH INTERESTED IN HOW YOUR VISIT MIGHT INFLUENCE THE SITUATION ON THE PENINSULA MY HOPE IS THAT WE COULD HAVE PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS TO BRING CALM AND REASSURANCE TO THE KOREAN PEOPLE WE ARE PLEASED THAT SOMEONE WITH EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE AND PROFOUND KNOWLEDGE HAS BEEN APPOINTED AS COORDINATOR FOR NORTH KOREA POLICIES AND CHARGED WITH THE IMPORTANT MISSION OF BRIEFING PRESIDENT CLINTON AND THE US CONGRESS THIS IS NOT DIPLOMATIC RHETORIC I AM TRULY HAPPY THAT SOMEONE WITH DEEP UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM HAS BEEN POINTED AS THE COORDINATOR DR PERRY AFTER MY APPOINTMENT I THOUGHT THE FIRST THING I SHOULD DO IS VISIT KOREA AND MEET WITH GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND KNOWLEDGEABLE PEOPLE IN KOREA WHAT BROUGHT ME HERE THE PURPOSE OF THE VISIT IS NOT SO MUCH AS TO OFFER MY VIEWS AS TO LISTEN TO THE OPINIONS AND ADVICE OF MANY KOREANS I MET THIS MORNING WITH THE HEAD OF NATIONAL SECURITY PLANNING AGENCY MR LEE CI-IONG CHAN WEE-NEAL- PAGE 04 SEOUL 06928 01 OF 04 0809102 AND THE BLUE HOUSE NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR MR LIM DONG WON AND HAD VERY GOOD TALKS I WILL BE STAYING IN SEOUL FOR TWO DAYS AND SPEND TWO DAYS IN BEIJING AND THREE DAYS IN TOKYO PRESIDENT CLINTON HIMSELF HAS DEEP CONFIDENCE IN THE POLICY OF ENGAGEMENT I PLAN TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE ENGAGEMENT POLICY CAN BE MAINTAINED IN THE FACE OF PROVOCATIVE UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No Doc No 006009250 Date 04 23 2019 UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case NO Doc No CO6009250 Date 04 23 2019 ACTIONS FROM NORTH KOREA AND WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR VIEWS PRESIDENT KIM I AM WELL AWARE THAT THE PURPOSE OF YOUR VISIT IS TO COLLECT VIEWS SINCE YOU ARE HERE ON AN IMPORTANT MISSION LET ME BRIEFLY GIVE YOU AN OUTLINE OF MY VIEWS IN TERMS OF PRINCIPLES AND EXPLAIN THE SPECIFIC ISSUES REGARDING NUCLEAR ACTIVITIES AND MISSILES NORTH KOREA IS STANDING AT A JUNCTURE NOW IT CAN It lt END OF DOCUMENT gt gt PAGE 01 SEOUL 06928 02 OF 04 0809102 ACTION INFO LOG-00 ADS-00 08091 OZ I38 0 0809072 DEC 98 FM AMEMBASSY SEOUL TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 5561 INFO AMEMBASSY BEIJING IMMEDIATE AMEMBASSY TOKYO IMMEDIATE AMEM BASSY MOSCOW IMMEDIATE SECDEF WASHDC IMMEDIATE CJCS WASHDC IMMEDIATE USCINCPAC HONOLULU IMMEDIATE COMUSKOREA SEOUL IMMEDIATE WECTION 02 OF 04 SEOUL 006928 EXDIS SPECAT E 0 12958 DECL AFTER KOREAN UNIFICATION TAGS PREL KS KN MNUC SUBJECT FORMER SECRETARY MEETING WITH PRESIDENT KIM REF SEOUL 6924 EITHER CHOOSE THE PATH OF MILITARY PROVOCATIONS AND RISK CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 SEOUL 06928 02 OF 04 0809102 WAR OR IT CAN PURSUE THE PATH OF REFORM AND GREATER OPENNESS THESE ARE THE TWO OPTIONS NEITHER OF WHICH WILL BE EASY FOR NORTH KOREA AS FAR AS NORTH KOREA IS CONCERNED THERE ARE BOTH POSITIVE ASPECTS AND NEGATIVE ASPECTS THE NEGATIVE UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No M-2018-02939 Doc No CO6009250 Date 04 23 2019 6103 92 170 333 90 092600900 300 6963081031 9390 91918 10 Newt-1913190 3380 1808 803 A3HJ 80 HJ 80N 30 3HJ N0 CIIV C1003 813HJ CJNV 108 3HJ 3 $8838 '80 3018100 3HJ 8JOV83J N1 8V 38V 83810013310 01WON003 8J1 380V038 J08 JON ONLLOV 8 HJ8ON 30 3HJ 83010N100 J VH L 3HJ N0 3 1 N3 L3G GNV 3AVH A3HJ EOVM 0 L HJ8ON A3141 J VH L 338 21 1000 3HJ CENV VNIHO CINV '80 MOVJLV O L 83800H0 3 HJ8ON CHHOM J VH L 0180M 3HJ A8JN000 ON 8 383H L 8 883LLV1N 3AIJ V03N CINV 38V 3831-8 J VHJ 3HJ 30 JN3W88388V GNV 83808 0er 383M 3831-8 8V3A AWON003 L3M8VW AGHJS O L GVO88V LN38 383M 3'Id03c N3J 30 3HJ OJ ONIG8000V OJ W3JSA8 W8V3 3A1i03'1'100 3HJ NO 83 108 30 011NON003 '1V 03c18 3HJ 83883N1808 M3N 0NLLV380 3O CINV 3014301838 30 WOG3383 3H L NO 2016080 170 3O 20 82690 10038 90 39Vd 30 GNV 3018c l L800 3O 3HJ 10 NV 30 'A L83c 08c 30 38008 3HJ 30 18813 338V 3HJ C1NV W80338 33030388 LVH L 001838 10 30VJ 8 AT8V3 3HJ 0 1 3W08 OJ 3H L 8 3JdO3d 3HJ 081V 108 83H LO 830NVHOX3 380W 338 DJ LNVM 081V A3HJ L1 OJ SNOA ONQHO A8V8ON01-I 100 3H L 3O 3H L 1 1 CINV 8ROJ 3HJ OJ C1338OV SVH HJ8ON 3 1 18 33de18 3HJ 30 3088 3HJ GNV N0 '80 3HJ 8 GNV 3HJ 803 C13C1N338F18 N338 3AVH HOIHM 301 1 811N8V 3HJ 88301330 1V83N30 3H L 8 L1 J X3N A8 3HJ N0 CINV 30V3c N0 OMJ W803 OJ C13380V ONV 3H L 831-110 C13 LV833000 SVH HJ 80N 8V 38V 3831- 83 1 18 1033808 CENV 583 118811 1 183M 3HJ 3HJ JSV3 3H L 330 3N18VW808 3HJ 093600900 9390 91918 10 191111195190 UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No M-2018-02939 Doc No 006009250 Date 04 23 2019 PRESIDENT KIM TO NORTH KOREA WE SHOULD BE SENDING MESSAGES OF BOTH HOPE AND WARNING WE SHOULD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT MILITARY PROVOCATIONS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED LDN-EI-DE-NTIAE- PAGE 04 SEOUL 06928 02 OF 04 0809102 WHILE MAINTAINING THE UNWAVERING ALLIANCE BETWEEN THE US AND ROK IT IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO INVOLVE JAPAN CHINA AND RUSSIA REGARDING NORTH COOPERATION WITH CHINA FOR PEACE ON THE PENINSULA IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT WE SHOULD COMMUNICATE TO NORTH KOREA THAT NO PROVOCATIONS WILL BE TOLERATED WHILE PURSUING A POLICY OF HOPE THROUGH FOOD ASSISTANCE AND OTHER MEANS THIS IS WHAT PRESIDENT CLINTON AND I AGREED UPON AND WE ISSUED A JOINT STATEMENT THAT SAID THAT NORTH KOREA WILL HAVE TO PAY STIFF PRICE FOR PROVOCATIONS BUT WILL BE ABLE TO RECEIVE INCENTIVES IF IT WORKS WITH US THE US SUCCESSFULLY PURSUED THESE TWO POLICIES IN THE PAST BY PURSUING A FIRM SECURITY POLICY ON ONE HAND AND A POLICY OF DETENTE ON THE OTHER HAND THE US WAS ABLE TO CHANGE THE FORMER SOVIET UNION AND EASTERN EUROPE IN CHINA PRESIDENT NIXON MET WITH PRESIDENT MAO 2E DONG AS PART OF HIS ENGAGEMENT POLICY AND THAT IS WHAT MADE It It END OF DOCUMENT gt gt PTQ6970 PAGE 01 SEOUL 06928 03 OF 04 0809112 ACTION SS-OO INFO LOG-00 ADS-00 SAS-DO 08091 12 38 0 0809072 DEC 98 FM AMEMBASSY SEOUL TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 5562 INFO AMEMBASSY BEIJING IMMEDIATE AMEMBASSY TOKYO IMMEDIATE AMEMBASSY MOSCOW IMMEDIATE SECDEF WASHDC IMMEDIATE CJCS WASHDC IMMEDIATE USCINCPAC HONOLULU IMMEDIATE COMUSKOREA SEOUL IMMEDIATE SECTION 03 OF 04 SEOUL 006928 EXDIS SPECAT E O 12958 DECL AFTER KOREAN UNIFICATION TAGS PREL KS KN MNUC SUBJECT FORMER SECRETARY MEETING WITH PRESIDENT UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No M-2018-02939 Doc No 006009250 Date 04 23 2019 CZOr mm u2m0 Cm 0mum13m2 o n m m m Zo 000 20 0m 2 2 mm momp uOmm_w_-m m HIE m 20 0 044% u 0m om mmOCr ow 0k emaciN w 2002 202m m ZCOrm m 020m 2 9 2m m mm HOW 20m _ I 20mm 00 0 ZCOrm m u 3 m 4 0 w 2002 20 5%me _m 020m 20 00 I m O mm 02 0022 ZCOrm m 02 Dcmm _ _02 02002 92 20 202m m m mZ uomm wz 0m 0022 2mm0 mm w mm0 02 Imr im 202m 0000mm jm cm 20 n mumo 00 d02m 200m m Cam 20 Qumx mm 20 2 m 0 m 0 H m0020 0 02 O u n000 w m_0 _nr u um0 OI_ u000 0 2 mm m0 202m _m m 0 m 2mm0 0 3m 2mm0 0m 20 20 mm 002m AIWOCQI 02 0m 00 3 0 2 m 100mm 20 0020m22 20 20mm 2m 2mm0 mm u 02 0m IO um m 0 Imr u uC_ u Om om mmOCr 80mm om 0 H on 3 m mm 20 r002 00 I m cm 2 m mmomm4 m 2 ZCOrm m 0m m m 2 202m 20 u 22m0 3 5m 0020 2m0 nomomm 202 20 C200Cw _ m0_u 52 2 w nomgmm 0m nm2mm m um0 _ m 20 00 m0 0m 202 20 Cm 5002 m 0m w m 0m 20 0cm me0 3520 Ema Cm o n m m m Zo Doc 20 02m 0 38008 UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No Doc No C06009250 Date 04 23 2019 PRESIDENT KIM AT THE TIME I TRAVELEDITO THE US AND MET WITH ASSISTANT SECRETARY GALLUCCI AND STRONGLY PROPOSED THE IDEA OF A PACKAGE DEAL AND SUGGESTED THAT PRESIDENT CARTER VISIT NORTH KOREA AND WORK THINGS OUT WITH KIM IL SUNG WHEN I ADDRESSED THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB AT THE TIME THE ROK GOVERNMENT TRIED TO PREVENT CARTER FROM GOING TO NORTH KOREA ARGUING THAT HE WOULD BE MISLED BY KIM IL SUNG SO I TOLD AMBASSADOR LANEY THAT THE CARTER VISIT WILL NOT FAIL AND THAT KIM IL SUNG WOULD NOT HAVE INVITED CARTER IN THE FIRST PLACE IF HE WERE TO SEND CARTER BACK EMPTY-HANDED 80 MY RECOMMENDATION AT THE TIME WAS THAT THE CARTER VISIT WILL WORK AND THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED VISIT WAS SUCCESSFUL AND HE EVEN AGREED WITH KIM IL SUNG ON A SUMMIT WITH THEN PRESIDENT KIM YOUNG SAM IF KIM IL SUNG HAD NOT DIED BUT HAD MET WITH PRESIDENT PAGE 04 SEOUL 06928 03 OF 04 0809112 KIM YOUNG SAM I AM SURE THERE BEEN SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS I MET WITH CARTER LATER AND HE TOLD ME THAT MY SPEECH AT THE PRESS CLUB SAVED LOTS OF LIVES AND PROPERTY BY PREVENTING WAR I AM CONFIDENT WE CAN MAKE OUR NORTH KOREA POLICIES WORK ONCE AGAIN IF WE PURSUE THE POLICY OF HOPES AND WARNING WISELY NORTH KOREA I BELIEVE WILL BE COOPERATIVE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE DOOMED IF THEY WAGE A WAR IF WE DEAL WITH THEM WELL WE CAN SUCCEED DR PERRY I DEEPLY APPRECIATE YOUR WISDOM AND ADVICE YOUR OBSERVATIONS WILL BE GIVEN SERIOUS THOUGHT WHEN WE REVIEW NORTH KOREA POLICIES COUNSELOR SHERMAN OTHER THAN FOOD AID IS THERE ANY OTHER POLICY INSTRUMENT THAT CAN GIVE HOPES TO NORTH It It END OF DOCUMENT gt gt PAGE 01 SEOUL 06928 04 OF 04 0809112 ACTION INFO LOG-00 SAS-OO 08091 12 38 0809072 DEC 98 FM AMEMBASSY SEOUL TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 5563 INFO AMEMBASSY BEIJING IMMEDIATE AMEMBASSY TOKYO IMMEDIATE AMEM BASSY MOSCOW IMMEDIATE SECDEF WASHDC IMMEDIATE UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No M-2018-02939 Doc No 006009250 Date 04 23 2019 CJCS WASHDC IMMEDIATE USCINCPAC HONOLULU IMMEDIATE COMUSKOREA SEOUL IMMEDIATE SECTION 04 OF 04 SEOUL 006928 EXDIS SPECAT E O 12958 DECL AFTER KOREAN UNIFICATION TAGS PREL KS KN MNUC SUBJECT FORMER SECRETARY MEETING WITH PRESIDENT KIM REF SEOUL 6924 PRESIDENT KIM RELAXATION OF ECONOMIC SANCTIONS CAN BE CONFIDENTIAL PAGE 02 SEOUL 06928 04 OF 04 0809112 ONE INSTRUMENT AS I HAVE CONFIRMED DURING MY VISIT TO CHINA CHINA WANTS A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION ON THE KOREAN PENINSULA AND CHINA CAN TALK TO NORTH KOREA FORMER ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF DEFENSE CARTER DR PERRY WILL COORDINATE NORTH KOREA POLICIES OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND SUBMIT A REPORT TO PRESIDENT CLINTON AFTERWARDS HE WILL BE VISITING KOREA AGAIN BEFORE HE COMPLETES HIS MISSION IS THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THAT MUST BE DEALT PRESIDENT KIM I HAVE TOUCHED ON ISSUES THAT CAME TO MY MIND NOW AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING MORE I WOULD LIKE TO ADD I WILL LET YOU KNOW THROUGH AMBASSADOR BOSWORTH IF YOU NEED ANYTHING PLEASE LET US KNOW OR LET AMBASSADOR BOSWORTH KNOW DR PERRY THANK YOU FOR YOUR WISE ADVICE WHAT WE NEED IS TO WORK TOGETHER IN DEALING WITH NORTH KOREA TILL THE END PRESIDENT KIM THE SOLID ALLIANCE OF THE TWO COUNTRIES LEAVESNO ROOM FOR DOUBT I APPRECIATE THAT DR PERRY HAS KINDLY RECEIVED IVIY VIEWS BUT WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT IS TO USE MY ADVICE AS AN IMPORTANT INPUT END OF BLUE HOUSE TRANSCRIPT THE SUSPECT NUCLEAR SITES IN THE DPRK PRESIDENT KIM SAID THAT WE HAVE SUSPICIONS BUT NOT CONCRETE EVIDENCE OF NORTH KOREAN VIOLATIONS OF THE PAGE 03 SEOUL 08928 04 OF 04 0809112 FRAMEWORK AGREEMENT EVEN IF THE SITES ARE NUCLEAR- UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No M-2018-02939 Doc No C06009250 Date 04 23 2019 UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No DOC No 006009250 Date 04 23 2019 I RELATED WE HAVE FOUR TO SIX YEARS BEFORE THEY ARE OPERATIONAL 80 NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO DROP ENGAGEMENT OR GO TO SANCTIONS WHEN DR PERRY ASKED WHAT COURSE WE SHOULD TAKE IF A VIOLATION OF THE FRAMEWORK AGREEMENT IS FOUND PRESIDENT KIM REPLIED THAT IT WOULD BE A VERY GRAVE SITUATION AND THAT THE US ROK AND JAPAN WOULD HAVE TO SHOW MILITARY STRENGTH AND BRING THE GREATEST POSSIBLE PRESSURE ON THE DPRK 4 C ON THE ISSUE OF DPRK MISSILE DEVELOPMENT AND SALES PRESIDENT KIM SAID IT WOULD BE WISE TO OFFER THE NORTH MONEY IN RETURN FOR A CAP ON EXPORTS AND SAID THAT ISRAEL WOULD BE INVOLVED IN THAT EFFORT PRESIDENT KIM NOTED THAT A SECOND ROUND OF MISSILE FIRINGS BY THE DPRK COULD MAKE JAPAN UNWILLING TO COMPLETE THE KEDO PROJECT AND THAT THE US JAPAN AND CHINA MUST PREVENT ANOTHER MISSILE FIRING BOSWO RTH WIDE-W It It END OF DOCUMENT gt gt UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No M-2018-02939 Doc No 306009250 Date 04 23 2019 This document is from the holdings of The National Security Archive Suite 701 Gelman Library The George Washington University 2130 H Street NW Washington D C 20037 Phone 202 994-7000 Fax 202 994-7005 nsarchiv@gwu edu