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Cable, State 230629 to Amembassy Seoul, Subject: Secretary Albright’s October 25 Bilateral I Seoul with Japanese FM Kono, December 5, 2000

UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No M-2014-13564 Doc No 006592984 Date 07 05 2018 RELEASE IN FULL PT03449 PAGE 01 STATE 230629 051813Z ORIGIN - INFO LOG-00 SAS-OO 230629 SOURCE KODAKA 005117 DRAFTED BY 12 03 00 APPROVED BY SIAWOLFF EAP2CKARTMAN 0518162 38 051811Z DEC 00 ZFF6 FM SECSTATE WASHDC TO AMEMBASSY SEOUL IMMEDIATE INFO AMEMBASSY TOKYO IMMEDIATE NSC WASHDC IMMEDIATE 0000 230629 sew- - E O 12958 DECL AFTER KOREAN UNIFICATION TAGS OVIP ALBRIGHT MADELEINE K PREL PARM PTER JA KN KS SUBJECT SECRETARY OCTOBER 25 BILATERAL IN SEOUL WITH JAPANESE FM KONO 1 U CLASSIFIED BY DEPUTY EXECUTIVE SECRETARY CAROL Z SECRET PAGE 02 STATE 230629 0518132 PEREZ FOR REASON 1 5 D 2 U OCTOBER 25 2000 GRAND HYATT HOTEL SEOUL KOREA 3 U PARTICIPANTS US THE SECRETARY AMBASSADOR TO JAPAN THOMAS FOLEY AMBASSADOR WENDY SHERMAN COUNSELOR OF THE DEPARTMENT MR STANLEY ROTH ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR EAST ASIAN AND PACIFIC AFFAIRS MR CHARLES L PRITCHARD SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE PRESIDENT AND SENIOR DIRECTOR FOR ASIAN AFFAIRS NSC ASSISTANT TO CHAIRMAN OF JCS VICE ADMIRAL DORAN MR PAUL HERSEY INTERPRETER REVIEW AUTHORITY Marvin Russell Senior Reviewer UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No Doc No 006592984 Date 07 05 2018 UNCLASSIFIED  U S   Department of State  Case No  M­2014­13564  Doc No  C06592984  Date   07 05 2018 MS  NAN FIFE   EMBASSY TOKYO POLOFF  NOTETAKER   JAPAN   FOREIGN MINISTER YOHEI KONO  AMBASSADOR  TO THE REPUBLIC OF KOREA TERUSUKE TERADA  DEPUTY VICE FOREIGN MINISTER TAKEUCHI  SECRET  PAGE  03  STATE  230629  051813Z  MOFA DIRECTOR  GENERAL FOR ASIAN AFFAIRS MAKITA  MOFA DIRECTOR GENERAL FOR AMERICAN AFFAIRS FUJISAKI  EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT TO  THE FOREIGN MINISTER HIRAMATSU  MOFA KOREA DIVISION DIRECTOR UMEMOTO  INTERPRETER  NOTETAKERS  SUMMARY  ALBRIGHT PROVIDED FOREIGN MINISTER KONO  HER ASSESSMENT  OF DPRK LEADER KIM JONG IL AS A PRAGMATIC  AND NON­IDEOLOGICAL LEADER WHO SHOULD BE ENGAGED DIRECTLY   SHE INFORMED THE JAPANESE THAT SHE HAD RAISED THE  ABDUCTION AND  JRA HIJACKER ISSUES WITH KIM JONG IL  URGING  HIM STRONGLY TO RESOLVE THE ABDUCTION QUESTION WITH THE  GOJ  THE SECRETARY REPORTED THAT THE DPRK WAS READY  TO  MAKE A DEAL ON ALL MISSILES  INCLUDING NODONGS  BUT MANY  DETAILS STILL NEED TO BE CLARIFIED BEFORE AGREEMENTS CAN  BE CONCLUDED  CITING THE POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR A  BREAKTHROUGH  IN RELATIONS WITH NORTH KOREA  THE SECRETARY  EMPHASIZED  THAT THIS WOULD BE FAVORABLE FOR THE SECURITY  INTERESTS OF  ALL THREE TCOG PARTNERS   ECRETARY CONTINUED  FM  KONO EXPRESSED TOKYO'S  DETERMINATION  TO MAKE EFFORTS  TO  NORMALIZE WHAT HAD BEEN  AN ABNORMAL  RELATIONSHIP WITH PYONGYANG  HE DESCRIBED THE  STRONG PUBLIC VIEWS  IN JAPAN ON THE ABDUCTION QUESTION   AND THE DIFFICULTIES OF DETERMINING  HOW TO OFFER AN  APOLOGY AND  HOW TO STRUCTURE ECONOMIC ASSISTANCE TO  PREVENT DIVERSION  THE SECRETARY POINTED  OUT THAT PUBLIC  SECPlE2T  5 'TSUMMARY PAGE 04  STATE  230629  051813Z  OPINION  IN THE U S  OF NORTH KOREA WAS ALSO A FACTOR  SHE  SUGGESTED THAT THE GOJ MIGHT MAKE MORE PROGRESS ON  RESOLVING THE ABDUCTION ISSUE BY NOT MAKING IT A  PRECONDITION TO HIGH­LEVEL DISCUSSIONS  THE SECRETARY  EXPLAINED THAT TERRORISM CONCERNS HAD NOT BEEN FORGOTTEN  EVEN THOUGH THE DPRK WAS NOT YET READY TO TAKE THE  ADDITIONAL STEPS REQUIRED  AMBASSADOR SHERMAN SAID OUR  INITIAL JUDGMENT WAS THAT THE HOSTAGE CONVENTION DID NOT  APPLY  IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE RESOLUTION OF THE ABDUCTION  ISSUE A PRECONDITION FOR REMOVING THE DPRK FROM THE  UNCLASSIFIED  U S   Department of State  Case No  M­2014­13564  Doc No  C06592984  Date   07 05 2018 UNCLASSIFIED  U S  Department of State  Case  No  M­2014­13564  Doc  No  C06592984  Date  07 05 2018  TERRORISM LIST  END SUMMARY   THE BLACK AND WHITE HUES OF COMMUNISM  AS THEIR MEETING STARTED  FM  KONO REMARKED ON THE  RELIEF HE FELT 35 YEARS AGO AFTER VISITING BEIJING   AT A  TIME WHEN JAPAN HAD NO DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH THE PRC   WHEN HE CROSSED BY TRAIN INTO HONG KONG  HE SUGGESTED  THAT THE  SECRETARY MAY HAVE FELT SIMILARLY  ON TRAVELING  FROM PYONGYANG  TO  SEOUL  THE SECRETARY AGREED  NOTING  THAT TRAVELING TO COMMUNIST COUNTRIES AS A PROFESSOR SHE  HAD EXPERIENCED THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE EASTERN BLOC AND  THE WEST  LIKE THE  DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK AND WHITE AND  TECHNICOLOR   6 CHARACTER OF KIM JONG IL  7   ts1­THE SECRETARY UNDERLINED THE IMPORTANCE SHE  SECRET    PAGE 05  STATE  230629  051813Z  ATTACHED TO THE BILATERAL MEETING DUE TO THE TWO  COUNTRIES' CLOSE RELATIONSHIP   SHE STATED THAT WHILE ALL  TCOG PARTNERS HAVE SHARED CONCERNS  EACH HAS ISSUES OF  PARTICULAR IMPORTANCE WITH  RESPECT TO THE DPRK  THE  SECRETARY EXPRESSED HER HOPE THAT THE EARLIER TRILATERAL  MEETING PROVIDED KONO  AN UNDERSTANDING OF HER TRIP  BOTH  WHAT WAS ACHIEVED AND WHAT REMAINED TO BE DONE  SHE  VOICED SURPRISE  AT THE AMOUNT OF TIME SHE WAS ABLE  TO  SPEND WITH CHAIRMAN KIM JONG  IL DURING LENGTHY MEETINGS  AND SOCIAL EVENTS  THE SECRETARY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WE HAD  FAILED IN THE PAST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPE OF PERSON KIM  JONG  IL REALLY  IS  BELIEVING HIM STRANGE  MOODY AND  HYPERSENSITIVE  A  FEW MONTHS AGO ROK PRESIDENT KIM DAE  JUNG HAD TOLD HER  THAT  THE EARLIER ASSESSMENT OF KIM JONG  IL WAS WRONG  AND  NOW SHE HAD HER OWN IMPRESSIONS   8 ­f 3'jTHE SECRETARY PORTRAYED KIM JONG IL AS PRACTICAL   PRAGMATIC  DECISIVE  AND NON­IDEOLOGICAL  THE SECRETARY  SAID SHE FOUND KIM JONG  IL WELL­INFORMED FROM HIS  EXTENSIVE READING  NOTING THAT HE SAID HE HAD THREE  COMPUTERS  IN HIS OFFICE  SHE COMMENTED THAT HE HAD EVEN  ASKED  FOR THE E­MAIL ADDRESS OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT  THE  SECRETARY STRESSED THAT SHE CAME AWAY BELIEVING IT BEST TO  FOLLOW KDJ'S ADVICE ON THE IMPORTANCE  OF ENGAGING IN  DIALOGUE WITH KIM JONG IL  IN ORDER TO ASSESS HIS THINKING  AND GET  RESULTS   SECRETARY RAISED ABDUCTIONS  JRA HIJACKERS  Ee ET UNCLASSIFIED  U S   Department of State  Case No  M­2014­13564  Doc  No  C06592984  Date  07 05 2018  UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No M-2014-13564 Doc NO 006592984 Date 07 05 2018 PAGE 06 STATE 230629 0518132 MEETING THEN CHANGED TO A SMALLER GROUP FORMAT CONSISTING OF THE SECRETARY AMBASSADOR SHERMAN AND AMBASSADOR FOLEY ON THE US SIDE AND FM KONO DEPUTY VICE MINISTER TAKEUCHI AND DG MAKITA ON THE JAPANESE SIDE TOGETHER WITH INTERPRETERS AND NOTETAKERS THE SECRETARY EMPHASIZED THAT SHE UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF THE ABDUCTION AND HIJACKER ISSUES TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE AND DEMONSTRATED HER SUPPORT BY BRINGING UP THESE MATTERS DURING THE VISIT SHE EXPLAINED THAT SHE HAD RAISED WITH KIM JONG IL THE ISSUE OF JAPANESE CITIZENS BELIEVED ABDUCTED BY DPRK AGENTS AND URGED HIM TO FIND A WAY TO WORK WITH THE GOJ ON A SOLUTION THE SECRETARY SAID SHE BELIEVED KONO KNEW THAT RESOLUTION OF THE CASES WAS NOT A LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR NORTH REMOVAL FROM THE USG LIST OF STATE SPONSORS OF TERRORISM SHE RECOMMENDED THAT THE GOJ ALSO CONSIDER THE ABDUCTIONS AS A HUMANITARIAN ISSUE OF DIVIDED FAMILIES A CONCEPT THE NORTH KOREAN LEADERSHIP MIGHT UNDERSTAND BETTER SECRETARY AFFIRMED THAT THE JAPANESE RED ARMY HIJACKERS WAS AN ISSUE THAT THE DPRK MUST RESOLVE BEFORE THE US COULD CONSIDER REMOVAL FROM THE TERRORISM LIST THE SECRETARY SAID SHE HAD FOUND IT INTERESTING THAT THERE WAS NO BIG PUSH BY HER INTERLOCUTORS IN PYONGYANG TO REMOVE THE DPRK FROM THE TERRORISM LIST ALTHOUGH THE TWO COUNTRIES HAD ISSUED A JOINT STATEMENT ON THE TOPIC TERRORISM EARLIER IN THE MONTH AND THE ISSUES HAD BEEN DISCUSSED DURING VICE MARSHALL JO MYONG VISIT TO WASHINGTON SHE DESCRIBED THE USG AS FIRM IN ITS POSITION THAT PYONGYANG MUST TAKE APPROPRIATE STEPS BEFORE IT CAN PAGE 07 STATE 230629 0518132 BE REMOVED FROM THE LIST THE SECRETARY UNDERSCORED THE IMPORTANCE OF CONTINUED CLOSE CONSULTATIONS BETWEEN THE USG AND GOJ ON THESE ISSUES PYONGYANG DISCUSSIONS ON MISSILES 11 651 1 HE SECRETARY THEN TURNED TO NORTH MISSILE PROGRAM THE SUBJECT WHICH SHE SAID OCCUPIED MOST OF HER DISCUSSIONS IN PYONGYANG SHE STRESSED THAT THIS 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M330 3H L O L 0100M 3HJ GNV OAMOJ 303 S3DSSI H3AVEJO NIHJINI WSIOIJIEO ONOHJS I NOISIO30 3HJ HLEION OJ 3O SNOJ 000 009 amammoa O L NOISIO30 S POE 3H L 1K8 03 LVEIJ SNOW30 SV NV N338 0VH LVI-IM O L SLEIO333 O L 03NIINE13 L30 SVM 803 NVde J VH L ONOM LVHJ NO 03339V 0N3 3H L NI Ln8 NI 3HJ O L LON ATIVIJJNI 033833333 M830 3H L LVI-IJ 03J ON 3H NI HJNOW 3HJ 3O 0N3 391190 1786369903 300 9399 91918 40 IUBUJIJBCIGG 03I3ISSWON0 UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No Doc No 006592984 Date 07 05 2018 SEER-ET- PAGE 11 STATE 230629 051813Z MANY ISSUES CAN BE DEALT WITH METHODICALLY WHILE OTHERS ARE A CHALLENGE TO THE INTELLECTUAL REASONING AND BASIC INTERESTS OF THE COUNTRY NORTH KOREA IS IN THE LATTER CATEGORY THE SECRETARY SAID THAT WHILE MANY IMPORTANT ISSUES HAD BEEN DISCUSSED BETWEEN THE US AND JAPAN IN THE PAST THIS ISSUE SEEMED TO BE A WHOLE DIMENSION LARGER SHE MENTIONED THAT DURING HER MEETINGS AT UNGA SHE HAD CONCLUDED THE MOST DYNAMIC REGION OFTHE WORLD WAS ASIA SECRETARY SAID THAT DOMESTIC PUBLIC OPINION ABOUT NORTH KOREA WAS A FACTOR FOR THE USG AS WELL KOREAN WAR VETERANS WHO FEEL THEIR WAR WAS FORGOTTEN HOLD STRONG VIEWS TALK OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS ABOUT DEVELOPING NMD TO PROTECT AGAINST A MISSILE THREAT FROM THE DPRK AND IRAN HAD ALSO GENERATED A NEGATIVE IMAGE OF NORTH KOREA MOVING TO IMPROVE RELATIONS WITH PYONGYANG WAS A HUGE SHIFT FOR THE AMERICAN PUBLIC THE SECRETARY POINTED OUT THAT IMPROVING TIES BETWEEN THE US AND NORTH KOREA WAS IN MANY WAYS MORE COMPLICATED THAN WITH THE FORMER SOVIET UNION OR BETWEEN EAST AND WEST GERMANY BECAUSE THOSE SITUATIONS HAD NOT FOLLOWED A WAR WITH A HIGH DEATH TOLL LIKE IN KOREA ABDUCTIONS A SERIOUS PROBLEM THE SECRETARY NOTED THAT JAPAN HAD MADE RESOLUTION OF THE MATTER A PRECONDITION FOR DISCUSSIONS WITH KIM JONG IL SHE SUGGESTED THAT MOVING AHEAD TO HOLD SUCH DISCUSSIONS MIGHT BE MORE PRODUCTIVE IN ACHIEVING RESOLUTION OF THE ISSUE ON MISSILES ALREADY DEPLOYED THE SECRETARY SAID EINHORN WOULD BE SEEKING CLARIFICATION SHE TOLD KONO PAGE 12 STATE 230629 0518132 THAT THE ISSUE OF PROVIDING CASH WAS ALSO PROBLEMATIC FOR THE USG BECAUSE CRITICS CHARGED THAT PYONGYANG WAS BLACKMAILING WASHINGTON SECRETARY CITED QUESTIONS FROM A SKEPTICAL GROUP OF REPORTERS WHO ACCOMPANIED HER ON THE TRIP TO PYONGYANG-TO THEM SHE HAD REPLIED THAT SHE WAS NOT BORN YESTERDAY AND THAT HER GLASSES WERE NOT ROSE-TINTED THE SECRETARY UNDERSCORED THAT WE MUST BE CRITICAL OF WHAT WE ARE SEEING BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE MUST RECOGNIZE THE HUGE OPPORTUNITY AFFORDED US TO CHANGE A DANGEROUS SITUATION TO ONE WHERE ALL COUNTRIES CAN BE BETTER OFF CLARIFICATION ON TERRORISM LIST ABDUCTIONS KONO SOUGHT CLARIFICATION ON THE QUESTION OF REMOVING NORTH KOREA FROM THE TERRORISM LIST ASKING UNCLASSIFIED US Department of State Case No DOC No 306592984 Date 07 05 2018 8133 90 10 1786369900 9990 91918 40 'S'n 3838- J an A3H L LVHM SNV3HOM HLEION 3H L LVHJ A8 FOE CENV SSH 3H L HJOS 3MVS 3HJ 30 NIVJNIVW OJ ONISOOHO 639093 17L 39Vd 13'39-33 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