7750 T H E W HI T E HO USE WA S H I N GTO N ME MO R NDUM OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATI ON SUBJ ECT Te l c on wi th Mikhai l Go r b a c h e v P r e s i d e n t t h e Un i o n o f Soviet Soci a l i st Re p u b l i c s PARTI CI PANTS Th e Pres ident Ed A Hewett Noteta ke r of n Qil Gor b a c h e v Pr e s i d e nt Pe t e r Afanesenko Interp r e t e r Oc t ob e r 5 1 9 9 1 1 3 0 -2 00pm EDT Ca mp David DATE THv1E AND PLACE Th e P re sident He l l o Mikha il P resident Gor b a c h e v The P resident U Mr P r e sident Mi kh a i l I didn ' t Is tha t you Geo rge r e cogni z e yo u r vo ice U 0 f Pres ident Go r b a c h e v We gene r a l ly sa y t h a t if some o n e d o e s n ' t re cogniz e you y ou ' l l b e a wea lt hy man U Th e P re side n t I ho pe s o U President Go r b a che v I' m g lad t o h e a r yo u Al l t hese d ays d e s p i t e the c ons ide rab l e probl e ms he r e I 've b e e n lo o k i n g into you r i nitiative I a s k e d Pankin t o s e n d a wr i t ten ve r s i on of my prop o s a l -- wh ich I wi l l be a nnounci n g in about an h ou r -- to Ba r t h o ome w I want 0 g i v e you a b r i e f s umma r y o f pr i ma r y s eJ po I e mp h a s i z e a g ai n the imp o rt anc e o f t h i s in i tia tive by the Pre s i d e n t of t he Un i t e d States I g r eet the app roach o f the P resi de nt f o c u s ed o n nu c l ear di s a rm ame n t un ilate ra l act ion s and an app e a l fo r a c ti o n In a concrete sense in the area of tactical nuclear we a p on s we are reacting adequately to the initiative of the President At the same time we a re devel oping initiatives to conti nue these trends J2'7 We want to fully destr o y tact ical u c l e a r we a p on s o n s ea f o r c es o n a mutual b as i s to wi thdr a w t a cti cal a r ma me n t s o f se a fo r c e s including bom b s Th e we a p o n s wi t h d r a wn s ho uld be s to re d at b a s e s in nuclea r stockpiles e1 Dec l OADR DECLASSIFIED PER E G 12958 AS z D7JP - 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nucle ar s ystem o f str ate gic de We s u g g est c r e a t i n g a commo n s y s t e m fo r adva n ced p r e v e n t i o n aga inst e v e n t u a l n u c l e a r str ike s c I wi l l t oday anno u n ce a noth e r 1 -yea r mo rat o r ium o n n u c l e ar tes tin g and invite the other powe rs to join u s I will also suggest to elaborate t o geth er wit h t he U S a plan to stop the p roduction of fiss ionable mate rials There are other points - - I won ' t v-Je Til l l is t t hem al l reduce ou r a rm y by 700 000 men U f Q' ' If y ou don ' t mi nd I wil l b e r e ady t o s u g g e s t a n e w Su mmi t may be on the ho r i zon to discu ss the sit uatio n GBPQ1 Th o s e on the ma i n int s U - ' o- GBP C P OTUS The Pres i dent r e c e i v e t h e m 3 Ve r y b old We ' ll l o ok at the d etails when we I commend you o n y o u r f orthcoming s tatement Th i s i s v er y e x c i t i n g We wil l l ook c a r e f u l l y at every d e ta i l an d the n get back to y o u to te l l y ou ou r t h ought s o n all t hese p rop o s a l s Zf P r e s i d e nt Go rb ac hev s t a r t ed t hei r t a l k s Geo r g e I t hi n k o u r e xp e rt s h a v e a lready Th e y 'l l be a b l e to l o ok a t t h e d e t a i l s New s p he r e s o f c oop e r a t i on are b eing opened Some h ou rs ag o I ta l k e d t o Yel t s i n He a s k e d to t rans mi t g re e t ing s t o you The Presi dent OK U Pre s i d e nt Gorbachev Re g a r d i n g gen e r a l p r ob l e ms we are in qui t e ics have d r a f t e d an an a nt phas e now Th e twe l v e on e c on omic uni on I p lan to conven e o n the 11th a St a t e Council mee t i n g to f i n a l i z e the ag reeme n t Bas i c a l l y the d r a f t is t h e o n e you kn ow -- th e Yavl i n s k y Prog r a m Wo r k i n g with Yelt s i n an d t he exp e rt s we 've prepared a n ew dra ft o f the Un i o n Tre at y I t is no w be i n g circulated among t he rep ublics There a re many n u a n c es h e r e Th e pressures are i nc re a sing on Ye l t s i n I sti l l ge t si gn i fica nt confirmati on t h a t I know of Ye l t s i n wi l l fo llow the a greemen t we reached to get her y o u r act ivities they h ave been conveyed I believe there is a c ommon und er s tand ing h e r e J8 This morn ing I me t wi th Miche l Camd e s su s Direct o r o f the I MF a nd we excha nged le t t e r s co n f irm i n g the Sovi e t Uni on as an As s ociate me mb e r All th is me a n s we h a v e a lot to do he r e s up p o r t we are receiv i n g jQi t o Ba r ba ra Sa y he l U on Sovie t T V I app r e c iat e the In a few minutes I ' l l be The P reside n t Than k s f o r t he courtesy of this call Ba rba ra a n d I a r e a t Camp Da v i d Tomor row t h e Ki n g o f Sp a i n will be he r e I wi l l be f ollowing t h e c ove rage o f you r spe ech wit h g r eat interes t I am sure i t wil l b e re c eived we l l world-wide Bot h of us have a respo nsibilit y to r e all y do somethi n g f o r t he generations that follo w us xc1 Barbara just walked out of the room She sends he r v e ry best to Raisa I ' 11 be in touch Thanks fo r the ca ll U President Gorbachev OK Al l t he best U -- End o f Con v e rs a t io n - 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