fl • -· ---- · ··-- - · DEPARTIOOIT OF STATZ 'i January 11 1975 SECRE TIVE MEJ ORANDUM l ' t ' • FOR THE SECRETARY • Subject Meeting ' i n New York with Cuban 1 Represcnt th·es 1- l Frank Mankiewicz and I met today at LaGuardia airport with Mr Nestor Garcia First Secretary of the Cuban Mission to the United Nations and Mankiewicz 1 basic contact and Mr Ramon Sanchez Parodi who had been sent from Havana to New York for this meeting J t ir After Man iewicz made the necessary introductions the fo1 tr of Ul3 had cof cc together in a LaGuardia restaurant Our conversation lanted or approximately one hour f i ·- ' ' - -·-· • I began by saying that you a nd 1 had met several times on thi o recent · or about r n hour lust night anci that th3 doctmlcnt I w IJ about to h i' nd O 'Cr to them nttachcd v ls '0 1rs in both tl-- ou ht ncllili1f U f C• that it had b e en tj•pcd b · my tlCCrct H ' e nd th t no one olso ha l seen it 1 invited the tv -o Curons t o read tha c ocumemt o nd make any commentg they mi ht wioh is sua mo Jt r l tor rc oding the docu -ncnt S lnchol P rodi sc id that nr ither he nor No Bto · G l 'ciC had l ny at l arHy to nc-s otiflto their task w 1o to lbtcl ncl 1·cport back to tlicir ut horiticP in H vann Howc o·or he did -JJ r t t o rr a ke a nu rnbcr of person V co nrncnt ·' ·- ··t cor ddcrc d th o t ··us c n ' in r of the bloch do of Cub l o tho n c esnr · cc d it on for b H in i n g thl procoe ' i of nonn U tilln It - o IH ni d the dr qu non It would be im l'ir ib o · • H' Cub l to br· in c lincusdon ' 'r'ith tho L n t cl Stl a on o h r t h -t e u l t rrn d th i s rcq i -r d th t tho b r c c P b 1 bro •l t to 1n em He td th t whUo thr b-2ock cc w r ot r o cc t ero l'ily h nrr fd it · cHd p 0vcnt Ct c t tr m lcCc to t h r' r- ·lcric ln m r-7-' t c o pho tho fact hat o 4 id not cou - t on tl· at m rkct in thi t t 'elnFn it o f its n c-ye lr pli ln Cubz n l r'- ' 1 -r··r 1- l i-r ·r SEc - -··· --- DECLASSIFIED -· E-0 12958 Sec 3 6 PER ¥-tr o3 ev ·S _ kit RE NLC o - D G -t l · o3 • - - ·- ··- ·· · -· I I • •• ' -··••• I ·· - - - - •• ··re·-c a ·· J _ _ _ - - • • -· ' ' ' - • ECRE SITI 'E ' iii'' - c - l Public or official action to end the blockade was not necesF ary but cases such ClS that of Litton Industries in Canada and the US decisior to abstain in Quito ' 'ere demonstrations that the United States intended to maintain the blockade and was taking po siti 'e lc tions to vard that end I - - The blockade is the · · onl · obstacle standing in the way o a bc inniJ e o£ the process of normalizing -elations Other issues can l c discu sec later but it is necessary to end the block uc in orcler to begin the process of norrnaliz J tion ·cuba has already taken tc p s to c rcatn the right atmo rhcrc or m mpro 'cment 1 1 the reb tions between th tv ·o countric l Cuba has for e ample m du an a rccrner t with the Ltnitcd St tcs on hij 1cking dospilc the act ll t hijackit g itscU was no particub r problem or Cub l The step was tak n a a o oocl will ccnturt ''' nd in reco g nition o£ intern l tional public opinion The US howc 'c r h s not acted r ciprocally in c pplic ti' ln of this 2-s reemcnt Cuba would c- pply the t grcc-ment more 'i f l 'OUd ' if the ' recclvcd rcciprocit · rom the Unit d St te3 in terrns of Cub n exiles in Florid When r che PO rocii h d completed his rt ma1·ks 1 pointed out tl'lr t hie cmph i on th bloc oc wan lr than precise antl that it wu g not clo Ar tc ' rr -- give-n h i J r tatC' - v nt that official and pllblic ction r ocd not be t - 1- cn -- whether Cuba was insisting on a complete clhn r Hon o£ t '1 e b ckade or o r ething leu s than th t S ncho e fiontk l PurocH rcplic c l that a rebha tion o tha blocl ade was a n conduioa to the b- im1in of nonncU ir ation of relations between UQ l pointod out that the blod lcic wns a combir 11tion of both legal and crr e o which could onl7· be changed uy Aumir i tr thc r- t-lu in nc t l r I t · · t ···· j · I _ 1 · - 3 ·an act o Cong res 9 I aGked whether in his personal opinio n Cuba would require that we change our la- •s before the process o r orma li ation could bcsin San hez Parodi replied I c o n t think eo Sanchez Parodi then siid th t we had probably seen report l o Cnstro a st ltan mts agninet the l tt ited Stnte s during the ·bit o Senators J2 vit 1 ilnd Pell He eaid thnt L lc'e statements were ''un n·oidablo at · the times but th lt e we -e rtl lt to t l ke them ' evidence th lt Cuba W lS nat intercst d in improved relations with the US He id that 5tatemonts U o ·th - t oi Castro d'Jrir g the Javits-Pcll visit were ''not our atylo nd t b t it w s not Cuban prc cti ce to attack publicly whlle ogotiut r g p 'ivatcly t the same time 1 t lt -_ · l _- f · · · · ' J • _ · --·· - -· ·· ·· ·· ·· n nch z P noc i then ask d wit rcfcrC'1CC to the nttn chcc l vt lt 9rnant wlu l tho t S ·cu d mova to pcr nit t hl t r wcl o Cub 1 n diplom 1t l ccrc d it d to t ho Unitr d K lti onl i iroin New YorJ to Wa s h t nf ton 1 opHcd t h t wo intc-nt d to t t e t h c t ntep rww Uthou h it rni hL t 1 o orne tL to rn t ' l t ho nocca tiary elm in t t 'tive rr'a - r mcmt 1 r l d h t h C1 •h l 'l Ht r 'n t o t h t r l tad N tlom woulcl bo notified when tho d n J l d b tGil l ' C Omvlifi l'HHl -- _ · · •• · S lr hc t rccii a d t h t h cu ' ' n W Ht·3d to h wa t a r con J tni n t ' iU l o t o p ll -t i dp to in t o t U H l lh · •l · c r- t lhat h e f S -• t ch c P i rorli ·'· t 1 1 • · 'l J- ' • o t '• 4 cu · - r • - U1 ·· · 1 1 ' • l' l 4 n rnq - 1 r · - -' ' • • • · 0 ' ··• l1• ' • ·· # ' • ··• o · - _ l H H ' l t h t l hc t·i -6 t h b u ncf of m ti lc C'n1 ry v i o1• Jo c ' d t Gl ' - ctor of r t t t i r - t- Or t n t tlonR in t ·' M i r i t1·y· of 1-'c r o r - r la ir l r•ro 'i d f•l l o 'l' i ' i t h n m tttor D n ct n 1·op r to tl c ' n r ' Jtl 'l -'1 r j b 1 l 'i l H' t ' 6 ll l r h F r n ·· f'l io· it 0 1 t a ' f c ' ' T c · l ·tcli t • · t h t t h y · · J ld pr• r r it if · G r ·· - t r 5 · 'I '' l C ri · • i l u C t i'1 v i n the I' t 1 ' '1 '1 -r r ll i ·tcr · t t l icr Cit · v o'· r vi f r m cur- r1 1 J n y 1 1r r• f a' i-ll • • t1 - i l l 1 r - tJ t l · • t 'm· • t 1· t y n u• notl t y ln ' i 3 r oon r· J - · - · - · - _ · ·· t'• 4 nt h ' t' C i hle-- k ti' ' b '· zn r ' tl U'T l CC l d Il to t 1c quo tiOl of thr $ · t ' t tw n ' i 11f' m 'J • t h e d • tc l bv lt it ''It l - · • • • 0 0 - 4 bnportant he said to establish a W2 ' or get an agreement whe c-by the blockade i ' no longer an issue Perhaps a change in the way in ·hieh the United States reacts on trade and economic relations would be suilicient perhaps mo ·es o change our legislation would be necessary 1 do not know precisely but I do know that the situation has to be chanzed in some way l unde ·sta-nd th t the is sue is complicated but the US mu 'lt take l ctive steps in that sense As long as there is no arrangement with respect to the blockade and its removal there can be no advance in our relationship S lnchez Parodi went on to say that in Cuba's view time is ruo Ung against the United Stat' s which is running the risk oi isolating its eli from the rent o the Hemisphere 11 •j t f • ·f t t Sanchez Parodi in1ic2 ted that this l 't 1 the e t nt·of hi£ per sonnl rcmn rko 1 t lcn aaid tlut I hn d some addition orcl points to make thn t had been C l lthorizcd by you Those points were no ollow l The Un it cl Statee ic prcpa cd to improve relations with Cub3 We c n lt aGldng that C b give up its domestic fltr u ct- re or m Lhod oi go 'errunent We do bcliove however that Cub 1 hodcl pursue an indcpcnri nt ot'uign p llicy Thu # thir mc- m 'i th t Ct ba should not C'i l Soviet oe tol U c and th J t • ·e recogr i c aB '-'··ell th t indc pcnC encc rn ans t l-1nt Ct bi will proc '-b r continue to c lir c tgl'ee v it h the Uo ii d S tcn in the majorit · of c a Jos Th p or e ss of nc·rr ali za tion of relatione mc ns th lt muot l 'C attc t Oi'l t c ch ctiu r 1 S probhtms • Thc ·c • • c rc- b u r on both icr s v hlch e her' tod wI or e ornt n· elsn at • btcr ti nc co L cl c t l 1gue and dlscur s in wh tcv lr orcler w·as mutunlly agreed Cub mutt und rst nd th v -hilc we nrC of cour e interested in ir ip ovinc rcln ti ons bct· vecn our l vo --·-- ··--· -- ·-- - - -··- 4---···--· • - •• • u · fc r - i · countries thi was not a particularly big cleal'' or the United States It was not • for example so· significant ·for u ilS the process of normalizing relations with the PRC -hich w are now engaged in ·- Cuba must also understand that any nonnalization of rclation5hips bzt •cen our h -o countries must involve a quid pro quo Uncle - no circumstances would the United States be prepared to view the normn liz ation of relations as a one way street in which we ga vo and Cuba took After going throu h th 11 e instructed comment J I said that I had flovoru t c r on 1 l co nmc nt t m ka I cmph•lSiz ad that thcso wero tot u ly rn -· u· m r- action to the discus a ion so ar nnd th t thoy in no wuy reprenr ntcd tho views o nnyo no o t h r than myacH I s t id th t in my cplnion if Cub roq• tircd d complete clL 'l1in ltion of the blocJ dc boioro L' ny efiorto toward norm - li tion of rabtion c oulcl 't k plat c the U i cd States v ould be unprcparod to p -ocoed i n·thor Thi would h rclly be a ''b J anccd way or pr occcdL g 1£ on th3 oti1or hllncl wh lt Cc bn expoctcci v ·ao lOl liC parhapt mocleut 2tcp l th J t might or rnir ht not bo -'lsnible I cocl l ma to no commitment u dcr tho a cl rclli-n ott nee n · At this point M • nHnwic int Jrruptcd to n y thut Cuhil m st undorctr nd tJ1 1t th contlu t · ou - c -oitJ n rcl honJ t oday i J r more n pubUc prohi m th m cv r bolero Tb Cons res h a i deeply involvc rl itor·j £ in l r uc of fOA c p n r ln Hcntl nc th 11 proCC iHI a£ ch lntih·· the circction of poli y i new mori l ililiicult t n it haa ever bocn · · · Su11ch J G Pu odi rcpli - Ll l t he und rJI·c tood this but perh po Go4ne thin CO '-lcl ba clone For C mpla ha cr tcl t pcrhil p9 the s n lc of r u g ' r to tbe Urtitcd St t · co d bc in c rtro he pointed ot t h d npo l a n about thte nt t o s cond Conr l Hl of Wom n r ccntl y - ncl it wa l c riauG propoaal vrh t in needed he f r id is ' 'thin g to cha ngo tho aunor p 'lorc I ' ·I _ ' t' 4 • • • • ·· -· ' ' ·· - · · r·oo•• · 1 ·-· • s ' · - I replie1 that I u 1derstood his point but I must emphasize again that it wac absolutel · necessary that Cuba understand my earlie-r reference to a quid pro quo relationship and that the United States would be unprepared to proceed to norrrializing relations in the absence o£ a balanced arrangement -· l · ·· · · · Sanchez Parodi replied that he understood the difficulties being the United States The US is a world power and a sudden change o position is difficult as would be a ny steps which would imply a lons of prestige It is 11 not he said ••our intention to be able to claim victory ovc r the United Stat s That is not our way o conducting seriou 3 b- 1aincss But a chnnge of attitude or atmosphere is necc soary •• • 1 '·· · 0 · l ' r· '' ·· - • · ' ' ' L- - I - i _ •• · · · · - I - 0 • • • · _ · · I · i · ······· 0 •• -· ·-' · · ' ' ' • ······· · - · 1 c - ·-· ' ··- · - Y-J'' · J ·l - 5- nchc t Parodi e g reed th t a catalot dnc '-If i J - ucs r ow ' v e neither ncc· · J ary nc'i ' 'tir e a nd 'P id tiHit wh U · Cub m y c ot bo a arc as Chin it could be as p r· ticn l replied th t Vhi_1 o th·J l n H· d States aa cla rl · indi t cd by tht • mess q c Sccrctn r · i z inr cr ' -r • •••'l P endi ng Premi - c l slro W l i intarestcd in rno ·in lov ·ard o n accommodation with Cuba w felt no tirn- urr-cncr or compul ion lo da so quir kly This issu w o £ I -cite -i tcrl of rl 'l -ti· ·c y madc t irn p- rt to t 1e United ' nt •· s as i h J d indi c d e nli- r • r · ' 1 thought it un vise to £et into the cata loeuing of i lsues fc rcd th tt if • e di Ct l sscd thi ng 3 Cuba mi jht e pcct of us it would b'nply an ac c t nc e on my pc- rt of th concept of tho elimination of the block clc s a irst stop towa -d nonnn li atioll l• · nt cd to le vc both Ct b -t·s with the ck r tmclcrnt ncling th 1t while 1 h d rcc h·ed thui - mc sagc l• •S in no '-''• ' prepared -- c· ·· 1 'l 1 o ficiaJly -- to -cc2pt it as a precondition to further ll l 0 r Not 0 l ·r ·· · tcd y bccuuse I ---· 0 Mnnkicwicz then interceded to say that perhups there were so1ne things Cuba could do euch as permit oi lit of Cuba r exiles it t 1 United Stntes to their families in Cubi l I interrupted to say that I thought that whilu it 'mi 3ht be possible for us to c 1 ogue now the pc ssible haues bahvcen us th lt tod y v · not the ti Tle' to clo that n li ht of Sanchez Pa1·odi's cmph tiis on the need to r rr ove the b ock de I thought both dcles should return to their betters or conr icleraticn of tho m tter as it now stood witho•Jt making ny attempt to list other poD Iible heucs be-tween us r S r rJ• ·4 c · · · · - •O • • I -·· ' ' 1 0 • '• I • i7' ··- · · oil I I - · · i · SECRE • i S IT YE 7 • 7 - I closed by saying I had appreciated the Opf- q·tunit' o· ·to tr eet ith the two Cubans and that as the · knew Frank Ma -J ic· ·icz would 5oon be traveling to Cuba one again While I could not guar J nt e it 1 thought it probable that would be carrring a message from Secretary Kissinger to Premier Castro I also said that i he ciicl in act carrr a message it would almost certainly take into account the message pa lsed by the · Cub lns to us today he We then spent a fe v minutes discus sbg arrangements for uturc meetings including code words in telephone caD s should tither side desire a meeting quickly ' nd feel that tt lcphone communication might be insecure I also agreed that should we c t ·e r have znec inggin Washington they ocld take place in my home which in S 'lme ive minutes £rom National airport it l - · j •• · I - j i - r • ' j t r l Cornmcnt D spite the sccminr ly- cliiiicult touc c f orne of the above the atrno phcre of the meeting · •as e a -emc l · friendly · eithc r o the Cuu ns w ls either pUf 'l cio l or diliicult My own re pon5cc were I ho e _c1ually lo· r • k0y in tone eve rthC'lc s I went to orne lcngth l to mokc it clear that I was not acce -ting the ••prccondio ion of a remoYcU of the blockac c Equ o l y I rc crrcc to quicl pro quo on scvcri l occadom in order to tr l c it clear th t we Vt rc not prcparecl to no- c in t l-te a b enc of Ct ban concc sions 1 dclU - ralcl · ldt vaplt the ti e fr -nc in which such Cub n co ccs l o n rni ht be cxpc t d both becat SA ll1avc t O scn e of when yo· rn - · · var t to io ·cc t h lt hr nd arlci bl cauee I V ntod to avoid putting u B in the po s iti o B t h J t t h e Cub ' nD ca -nc clouc to puttin3 themsdvo • in at th bogin r ing o cur cor1v rz 3tion ' £ ' ' th 1t S n hez Parodi 1 s rnc sr r c i not t il w · m us t tot - ll - cE n n tc t l e b oc k t 2 c bdorc ·t h or l l· p cn n be tc l cn but rt thcr tr ' t mc '- r which 5Ccm to imply the tm -cr t- - ' 1 d 11 m btc - -J ncc of th0 block d c th L tt0r c C' 1 h nu d t Qt l kc place Th re i of cour ne J Q U lr r t 1 t 'this st GC th 1t if v c v re to td c f w oH·pn which mir ht ar to be a rtlodcratio n of th J blocknd th t thczn wocld nat be acccpt ' d n fnita c amp i a 1tl more clcmo ndc d · ·bcforr Cuba v -o' l tcl Jc willbg to proceed tov i rd nol·mali - t ton I U J r l FraZl I ' nd 1 bct h a - c · L - - · f -· • ·· • - 8 I will 3l e steps on Monday to ' lee th lt we c h 1n e the r a ·l l restrictions on Cuban t - diplomats permitting them to t r wel to and from Wa shin ton As to Manl iev icz' Ut corr in• tt-i'O ' ' ' to l-U ·3na you v Ul want to consider with Bill Ro c rs what uddit or ai mc at c arr · Fri i nk misht - F 1 with him - - ·· ·· ·· 7 ' ······ 1•• I o 0 - -- ··· ·· -- _ - · · _ ·· · · · i · · · · - ·- · ·· · - · · · · r• -· • •• · •• ' ·· · · ·· · t i · 3 · 1 ·· ···· '' · • __ - - · · · _ _ _ _ ·· ' ·· ·· · - · · ' ·· · · · · • 00 -· · - - · - I' ' I O O I ••• ' ' toO o•1 4 o I f'P 0 ° 0 I • ' ••• O PI · i ·- - 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