Multi- c 1M l b 7 C l'aec 69 I Page 71 Q The W' 'l's involved iag cxto tiag r roups 2 A Ycs '11 c various faction I knew them lQ be J t Ikcn saiously So tthat point 1 basicaUy said 10 4 l b 7 C hn coinfOttab you know I uust you And you bOpduUyhave a y lIlJ 1J lbcr of 2 people involved bu t socnc more Ihau 0 lC SO I kn ' Sa '3 lillie bit of cha ks and balances and you gdsomc coutfOlt ' 1 that WOly 'S So-iititiallY I would have sat down - wbcnthis 6 IW1cd I woold ba sat dawn 'I 5 guys I with Hb 7 C Ii lla ltflc this you dOn't have to call me ahead of link 5brts to '011 6 and gd Illy approval wan l IQknow if Ibis 7 wouJd lAve gone ough each and cvay p t and I wO lld know f I JW 01' get Ollt' band l 'lkca Iwp 'tum to tbc S have probably bad '- I can't roca1I he substanceof d e il 9 pattici w c discussions but I C3l1lCCaU havine thC 9 going' lQ continue in itus I 'tna ' m left 01' a simp IlIl11 lQ rWII 'but if ihc 10 with I I what is'dIe process thaI we go dJrOUgb 10- ba 3us OOC l J II fP intoioo n y OftllC dcUilsi but you know you don't 13 just pay wb3t yoo 'rc IOId 10 pay or ou'UcOO up pa 14 Ii1thy rOOli nc 1I1C aJ1i 'w gaUo Dqi ltiatc you'vcgal IS 10say GaD't pay rm oing 10P Y 'OU'vc gal lo 14 k 'id A I mall late early '90S That's about as I S specific afl can g'Ii for you 6 of be aggcd 10 dIe wedding kickiagIIlldsbouting or it 16 timein' which 17 n aDygds out Of ban d bUlyou -haw 10kind ofbw wI en IS yoU but l 19 tricky kind of thing 19 wuuld liave had vay vay c x1cnSh c conversations 21 with with SQIIICo our wily p OIllcaboullhis kind 20 ouId have sald ' th - ' I andr Id'h ive id ' oleay Iet's t it And theY wonk hav y - for a 21 wl i was acn lly preparing belk ve it or' not charts 1 20 22 of lhibg Thea thcn 'Wu iq riod or i woul4 1 'wi bUic m pm balily oo a 17 quarlcrly basls maybe not inaybe saniarinuaUy or what havc' is 10c vm Uy show yP oc it also gets Oul or hand k it's a 23 bcb Wior is f lablc ' you ha it you mlit t approve it OY ICbU7UCl I 12 Q an gi o tiiDc od 'oUOO when th is Il tnJuitioa wrcd1 IA 10 discus sx $ you know WOO WCl'C' he ps wby t1usamouJ'l 2 CHI QUITA BRAN DS cnbii 22 mean tll'lt wou14 sbow coded but tbeywould SI' w X ainount ' or you OVQ' a multi-time period what have i i bOw moc ' We were 24 giving 10 tbe FARe ueh we giVini tbCELN l1 t Q ow did yoil bow what' p ymcOls were being made7 2J 24 Were 'O l provided with o Ii did 'OlI go ovec 1I t7 25 A Yes 1 uld haVe bo n' providod- initially the is kind of s I would sit and 'review i It W 1S a Page 70 nK fof-e-the-f' '-t'basis 0 Page 72 1 vay ftrst couple of payments I was consulted on a ' I review in the sense of is Ibis reasonable -i - - _ 'An j w uid ha' '- d ' r 'I o'uld say til'll it and'lbai's Wha w tikough'tbc whole usincis of invcstigating willi Colombian counsel-as to 4 3 evolved into ' ' we still do that occasionally mnre often than th coovroiati is 'has' mytliing ilanged theY might 5 tell mclh t the levels of payments t6 the guemUaS in' 6 Turbo have gone down because the guerrillas 'wci-c W out of 7 Turbo They' e -g up a 'liW ' bil in Santa They Wbc thcr 1 ' nott lis W Js - and incidatdy in dlat-casc uot S ooly inside counsel but we also investigated with OIltsi lc 6 COIIII$Clto make sure that wen okay Iha-c and ofCOllJ'SC 7 CblquiIa'S poralC laWdcpMUnalt was iuvolvcd and 8 OliqulIa slop managcmcnlwU-ilivolvcd io tbat illitial 9 buslncu ' ' I 8 laid 'me l Qmvl ir 9 blessed lbc a uitrOOUl13ldy ic lmprac lqt You 10 11 caO' '1JU blow yoocan' t involvccvc rybody thcir Il 10 12 broda G'IU ' time gd Q1o tc d in Colnulbia wbac fOU cc t 13 eXkxtcd rath r frtqOO1dy So we got the bbsingl ' 14 aod wc dlai -thcn it was'a qucstioo q b 7 C piling tne 15 1Iothayiag wdI we'le baving t1Jis tiOO 'Of that 16 nqOtilltio'l'and'so fooh and sooa and dlCll it boqunc '' ' 17 luxamc comfoo t W1c - hneall as comfOflable you caD Wlda 18 hec imrmstaMes ' 19 fbocamc'alUlfortablc that dais was bcing'ha in 20 ' 11 respousible way ba amccomfortablc tb titwas not 21 bei1lg haod1o t wiUy-niUy Of out of conlrol I thiolc even 22 comfortable that we W tt drnggingOur 1cnoueb bue not 2 too ntuch ADd ba ame comf 1c widi lbc groups Ib t 2 not 4 were - that tlJt groups invoIVtd 'Wa'e - knew tIlcm to group i itiatcd group 'is of'an ariti lIa ' ' So Marta whiCh Is new kgiil'gov t ' theY w 0tJ1d iiave ald me like' COOvivlro We'n 12 being to rMk c a cootribution 'tothC' COnvivii I would '13 have questions like wdI tell rnc abO rt thc 14 Convivir and who are iJq W' U ' 'mean aie'b ho TIbk p iraJiUlitiu t No i6 they're n ' 6mriVir- tlus Wa fotinded and pushed blithe 15 17 governor of Antiochia and it was bl by kgislati in 18 CoIOlnl ia 1 bis is an organization dial wa ven '-I don't 0 0 12-ooknow tk s in fnijish ajwidica whicJt 20 means legat status I guess and so rortti and SO oil s I t Jld 'a hoie lcind ' fquestions and Y'C'd ' 22 have that ki Of it diswssioo ' woUld ask at the rod 'of ' 21 23 the year wql s the sromcy bUdget look like for ned 2 1 year hOw docs it pare to thiS and SO f J th and so - 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