File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R Ford Presidential Library I MEMORANDUM THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON TOP SECRE1' NOD IS XGDS MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION PARTICIPANTS Dr Henry A Kissinger Secretary of State and Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Dr James Schlesinger Secretary of Defense General John A Wickham Jr Military Assistant to the Secretary of Defense Major General Brent Scowcroft Deputy Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs DATE AND TIM E September 5 1973 8 00 a m breakfast PLACE The Pentagon Schlesinger Our people don't know about the de-Mirved Poseidon for the Brits They are therefore at a disadvantage Can we tell our people Kissinger I am worried about leaks Cotton A de-Mirved Poseidon could cost more Kissinger What could string it out the longest Kissinger The French talks went well The French have good ideas about MIRV Discussion The real quid pro quo is the basic orientation of French policy Galley said he understood but it would take them time Schlesinger Pompidou is dying Kissinger Brandt is closer to Swedish Premier Olof Palme than Pompidou Egon Bahr would get our support for a neutral united Germany and then g _ e_ _ us out Don 1 t conclude anything with Galley in September fORo J I will send you a transcript of my talks OP SEGRE'f NODIS XGDS 3 HENRY A KISSINGE ' -- - CLASSIFIED BY EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICA'l'lON SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE OR DER ll6S2 S b l 3 EXEMPTION CATEGORY AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ON Imp to det l f OP SEGni T NODIS XGDS 2 Schlesinger Chaff we could give them with no sweat payoff this fall Kissinger We may not want anything this Fall to next Spring When do you see a It's better to drag it out The Europeans have the idea that we need the Year of Europe to restore the President's popularity I want to discuss how we will make the NSC system work Would you think it a good idea if you I Colby and Moorer had breakfast at the beginning of each week Schlesinger Great Every Tuesday Kissinger Scowcroft can take notes On the NSC bodies the only non-head of an agency is Clements I just want to be fair to you There is no problem with Clements I plan to let State handle the NSC business and I will just chair If you want to attend it would be fine Schlesinger Let's just do a Tuesday meeting and let the rest stay as it is I think we maybe have too many meetings Should we send Clements to Saudi Arabia Kissinger I think he has no foreign policy judgment man's view to get along with the Arabs He has an oil I think the way to get along with the Saudis is to do something on the Arab-Israeli dispute I am doing something but we can't surface it now The Saudis are least equipped to deal with the Arab-Israeli dispute We want the Egyptians where we were with the DRV -- we have to get the thing past an unconditional surrender Egypt now wants Israel to withdraw and then negotiate with the Palestinians That is insane I am working to get a reasonable position out of them If we get it we can then put massive pressure on Israel It will take massive pressure Hussein will accept the Allon plan if h A gets a piece of Jerusalem This is similar to the Saudi position fO D TOP SECRE'l NODIS XGDS l · TOP SECRET NODIS XGDS 3 Clements is too much of a bull in a china shop He would pour arms into Saudi Arabia which would force them to engage in the Arab-Israeli conflict Schlesinger I agree 98% Clements would just hold hands I think we must keep the Persian Gulf issues away from the Arab-Israeli conflict I would just send Clements to the Gulf area Kissinger But do you think he can be controlled and do what he wants anyway Schlesinger We need to hold Saudi hands Korea He goofed in Japan He will just go out Let me test Clements in Kissinger And in the Persian-Arabian Gulf Schlesinger Let's talk contingency plans but not cross the Gulf The Iranians could take Kuwait Kissinger The Shah wants to know if the F-14 and F-15 mix says he wouldn't have the F-14 Rabin Schlesinger We are running out of money for Cambodia I would like to go to Stennis and ask him to let DOD draw down its ammunition account for the next year Kissinger What are the disadvantages Schlesinger None Kissinger Okay Schlesinger Australia Whitlam is a bastard Kissinger I agree Schlesinger I would like to cool them a bit There is an ANZ US intelligence conference Whitlam is playing games I would like to say to Kird thanks but Australia hasn't responded I would like to say thanks but until Australia makes a decision a US answer would be premature Kissinger Fine Be careful because Green will leak Anything we __ do should be a response to provocation Can you wait until the middrre oA2 '' next week ' C TOP SEGRET NODIS XGDS - _ ' I ''v J OP SEGR S'l' NODIS XGDS 4 Schlesinger Iceland The British Ambassador doesn't think a new agreement could be gotten through Iceland parliament This is different from the US Ambassador's assessment Kissinger I think we should stay out of it Schlesinger I agree Kissinger On the Poseidon We want to keep Europe from developing their unity as a bloc against us If we keep the French hoping they can get ahead of the British this would accomplish our objective If we gave the British MIRV while the French were so far behind it would be bad If we could give the British the dispensing mechanism and hold open the MIRV for the French a few years we could keep them even On Germany Scheel and Leber are okay Sclunidt maybe but the old German national Bolshevism is more compatable with the CDU than the SPD Schlesinger The French are important SALT DOD is ready on the ideas I outlined Kissinger Okay but hold now on the old position Schlesinger Security assistance We are in trouble We don't have enough money for everybody We must cut the Koreans or the Turks The Turks need it more Kissinger Okay Can I sell this to the Chinese Schlesinger It doesn't have to be announced and Turkey When will you announce I want to go to Germany Kissinger Good go to Greece also Schlesinger Poseidon Should we play the British along more them know they have a clear shot at MIRV Let Kissinger I told Sykes it was 51-49 with the President inclined to go to bat for it -TOP SECRET NOD IS XGDS TOP SEGRE'¥ NODIS XGDS 5 Schlesinger Security Assistance other's throats for five years Kissinger That will stop Schlesinger State and DOD have been at each What do you think of Tarr He has brains but no drive or foreign policy sense Kissinger What should be done Schlesinger Stop the bickering at the middle levels TOP SEGRET NODIS XGDS ' t- • - 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