o · a Wt 5H NC' '0N Deceraber 3 1982 Pa cticipa nts A gentine Ambassado Lucio lberto Garcia del Solar - ✓- '- '- Assistant Secretary o Hurr12 n Rights and Elliott A brams Dats and Time Deceraber 3 1982 1 00 p m lace The Jockey Club Washington D C ------------------------------------------------------------------ -L The e were two main topics certification and the question of the Cisa oeared As to certification the A assador sked here thingS stood Ee said he thought Argentina on the facts deserved certification When I menticned setbacks such as the recent Calvi statement on 'the mothers o terrorists or some closing of magazines he acknowledged them But the A inbassador noted that there were alw2ys going to he sorne of the minor incidents while the anny w2s in power The overall trend however was enormously positiVe Ee certainly hoped Argentina would not 1 be denied certification siwply because of Chile 0 Certification wot ld help both Countries He pointed out in particular that hile older Argentine military men have close ties to America and are willing to put the Falklands • a - behind them this was not true of the younger ihilitary They have fewer ties to the U S and reacted with moch greater hostility to our support for the U K It is important to d aw them into relations with the U S milita -y he saiC r L _ -- ARGENTINA PROJECT S200000044 U S DEPT OF STATE A RPS IP5 Margaret P Grafeld irector o J Release · • Deny A hemption s · · Declassify In Part 0Q In Full Classify as _ Exten8 as _ Downgrade to _ Date ____ Declas sifyon · R on_ rn I asked the Ainbassador how the question of the disappeared would affect future political developments How ultimately would a compromise be reached between the military and the parties He replied that there was no clear answer Howeve he was somewhat optimistic for in private discussions the political leaders were much more sensible and realistic than they were in public speeches So perhaps a compromise could be reached which would satisfy everyone On this issue the military is absolutely united and determined to avoid widespread and vengeful punishment for its acts One element of a compromise would be for the government to tell everything it could about the fate of individuals even if there were no investigation into how they had reached ' that J ate I raised with the Ambassador the question of children in this context such as childr n born to prisoners or children taken from their families during the dirty war While the disappeared were dead these children were alive artc this was in a sense the gravest ht rnanitarian problem The Ambassador agreed completely and had already made this point to his foreign minister and president They had not rejected his view but had pointed out the problem of for example taking children from adoptive parents I sugges ed that that problem might be handed over to the Church or to a corn ission which included the Church doctors etc Action with respect to these children would have enormous humanitarian and political content Again the Ambassador said he was in complete agreement and would raise t his point once more with his capital I r f · I Ai ·• - •n U'§-t- i f'i biJ n r L t O k t V 7 I told the Ambassador that what we needed for certification was a period of quiet and steady hur 2an rights proc iess He agreed and said that he was sure the authorities would react with restraint when there are for example political marches and demonstrations There would no doubt be setbacks and unfortunate incidents but the trend toward more and more free expression and toward free elections was unstoppable and would continue 21780 ·--------