0773 THE WHITE HOUSE IN ION MEMORANDUM OF SUBJECT N Meet Russ with s sin P The Pres James A Baker III Cheney S K DECLASSIFIED PER E O 12958 AS AMENDED 11 1· 03tJ'I-F I I zl at J oa oz of U of Defense aff the President Brent Scowcro Nati Russia Robert Strauss Ambas Planning St Dennis Ross Director Department of Lewis Libby Principle Deputy for and Resources Department of Defense Nicholas Burns NSC St notetaker Boris Yeltsin President Andrey Kozyrev Foreign Minister Marshal Shaposhnikov Commander in f CIS Armed Forces Yevgeniy Velikov President of the Russian Academy of Sciences Lukin Chairman Foreign Affairs Committee Russian Parliament Vorontsov Ambassador to UN Mr Mr Mr I 1 VQ C 2 12 30 p m I I leave oor to Pres issues issue is 0 to to cover not before We knew simultaneous also 4€t- i Let's see if we s of arms control program prices on followed a plan because we simply did take the measures that were suggested such as banking tax and other measures was limited and so we had to act all issues Since we freed ces there has been no major social unrest but have been hard times I can only explain relatively quiet reaction because I announced the price rises before they took So people knew what to expect and they hoarded supplies February March and April will be crit We people can stand If reform ls power will be replaced by conservative hawks who will re reforms We will have a police state repression and arms race wi recommence It will be a waste of billions of dollars for the U S and involve all the world er are of a We cannot allow this and 3 still months We must these er I don't want II have 14 for e 60 000 now and will 200 000 summer The average size will be 100 acres reform I met at FED Yes Ni Yes morning with reforms He is The President must protect Supreme Soviet and wolves without the him and him told me he We on New York Jrer to you is ct of the team is young too team icism in the would have been eaten by President I stand up for -Ee'1 I want to push international financial inst ions to give you full I hope Gaydar can give us practical ideas on how to help I think membership vital We will push them to do away with the bureaucratic foot dragging I spoke to Bob Strauss and Jim Baker about this We hope to do it by April-May President Yeltsin Thank you Time is essential Gaydar and I have talked We will reveal all information to the IMF There will be no problem with information for the IMF We want full membership by April The next item is Russia and the Commonwealth First I want to say that the move to form the Commonwealth was correct and inevitable When the union collapsed states would moved in all fferent directions had not been a Commonwealth There would have been four states and the army would have divided into bits Think of border and problems So we to act eleven 1 · 4 meet to be But we cannot ize old and we must t of heads of s ion care of sizes that is two careful not to a he does sure on way out s are a group name is Rukh iament Rukh is 's posit There are 11 million ethnic Russians They 1 in the east on the Russian border and Russians are the majority in could vote to j Russia So I don't think Ukraine will take any sharp turns due to this fact This is off the record -- our main destabilizing factor Ukraine We have good personal relations with Kravchuk I talk constantly with him by phone Now on nuclear control The launch button in my control and is second with Marshal Shaposhnikov The four heads of state have instantaneous communications If God forbid anything happened we could talk right away It is incumbent on me to act and on Marshal Shaposhnikov It is technically not feasible for the others to control the nuclear weapons It is impossible On mil issues the eleven agreed to a strategic force under the single command of Marshal Shaposhnikov Eight countries agreed they didn 1 t want their own land forces including Russia So Shaposhnikov has a unified force under his control Russ cannot announce an army of s own because the others would want one too Ukraine Azerbaijan and Moldova want their own armed We their s This is no risk for us our share of CFE ions From 13 000 9 000 and we wi bring down to y too because 5 are and conventional to s Yes on st c Three matters st iat are SLBMs your cs we must are 2 500 in creat experience space weapons experts We would like to float and general establishing a joint global system with j manufacturing We have expertise in the and launch of stations and their operations So far we cannot think of weapons in space but the ial of development could include our 2000 nuclear experts some of whom are seeking work We could land-based anti-aircraft and l c missile systems You saw the S-300 in an exhibition Your and our research could be combined on spacebased systems of command and control and communicat We could have a j project s would be much for both of us and would be a measure of trust between us It would remove all suspicions If we could announce today that we are no and that we seek to be lies that would a relations between the U S and Russia r new era 6 to the a center How ore we are We asked Dr this I have a my him or to low on Good But we before we do we and plutonium carefully We want to llion for that purpose since we no facil enough but we could use that money We could smantling -ter use You know that Jim is coming to sit our act together and provide more answers s very important issue e Secretary Baker's trip is a good opportunity to follow up on the $400 million which is in the DOD budget We We would like to send must satisfy Congress on how we use f you on our current plans and discuss this someone to i President Yeltsin One more question -- sales of enriched uranium to the U S I would like you to remove the barriers we are talking about only 100 tons per year You want to ship it here our firms to you But storage are not Your dumping -E-er our sees of tons ' ' v i __ 7 Mr Pres some of our 0 Baker's t let's look 1 to you We'll try to see Good other quest s you In the 0 warheads Okay I am on that I had reverse Now on next question -- di of weapons We think the problem of dismantl tacti nuclear weapons manageable We shall take the weapons to storage facilities and store them there -- land sea and air ssiles We do not now have storage 1 but this should not be complicated not like a lity enriched uranium would be We want a joint program on destruction We don't have enough facilities to deal with all the weapons for the time period of treaty We have facilities at Chelyabinsk and Chapayev sp They are for all dismantling and disposal On the brain drain we have 2 000 nuclear experts These are our best minds There are maybe 3 000 lower grade experts They make 800-1000 rubles per month I have ordered all of their pay to be increased to 5 000 rubles per If we launch a joint can provide for many of them For could have joint research ion in 10 are an Yes s U understand of wants to When I come destruct are S - Good We are working with the three on non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction We are calling on to s the Nuclear Non as non-nuclear states The nuclear weap ons removed their l On February 14 I believe convince the of the countries of the importance of signing the NPT Kazakhstan has for a neighbor This is a danger We appreciate this danger So an early signing is essential We are hurrying to remove tactical nuclear weapons rst from Kazakhstan to prevent them from falling into Islamic hands But st c weapons cannot -- it technically not feasible Secretary Baker The President wrote to President Nazarbaev about Kazakhstan's acceding to the NPT as a non-nuclear weapons state When we were there in December he gave us assurances on s if we supported Kazakhstan's accession to the UN and CSCE That is now ing so we are hopeful they l sign ll r He assured me membership of re I We UC Vl C I ' 9 efs of at We all are very to cont So I ant I It is a and want it to Yes We had to here a vis of We would te7 Yes use the sunderstandings We found meet discuss traffic conventional You of course that by 50 percent ion industries So we have started to export weapons and we don't want any problems with you on We do not on an ideal basis But if there are s and you told me on phone that our firms should look markets -- we will sell to them We are sell Kalashnikovs these are good machine guns As we convert our military industry we will reduce exports but this will take time and money fet I want a joint program on itary conversion For example we closed down the Kirov tank plant in St Petersburg It used to produ e 1300 tanks per year Now is closed empty I saw We are thinking of manufacturing small agricultural implements there Why not a joint venture there with you I talked to the Prime Ministers of Japan and UK are interested We should do a joint project That would increase your confidence in us We had a Don Atwood done through our We want to Our s but 1 In some of to ants we not I ance plans u s are f If we are One of the reasons there has not been much conversion s was a people he dealt with are no longer in power - is ists in issue to be tackled Yes we must restart this process On the National ists are given grants If your ists could involve some of our would he This is a fundamental grants I suggest we have lunch One last matter not U Are we still adversaries or No we are not We have a statement to make on shifts the gears the President proceeded to read from the statement this moves us away from the old era This joint statement will help to do that I can assure you tha I will emphasize this point at the s conference Why don't you look at the statement et You have nothing here which says that we are no longer adversaries and are moving to be lies It says U we are a to I ' New