TEL 'j4 i4I Ma-m·oranJum of CcmveTJation OATa JnnQ 8 1976 TIME 12 0O noon PT ACE Santiw 9'0 Clllle • Praaidcnt Pino he t' s Offic e a s -Ch i lean Rela ions Chile P rojea #S199900030 J U S Department of StalEPAJffTCIP»rrS Chile Release Excise_·__ Dern Augusto Pinochet President Dedasmy In Part ___ tn Fuh __________ _ Patricio Carvaj l Foreign M i s Manuel 'l'r lc co Affiba£ ador to United Sta- -t_e_s_• ___ _ --------·-- ---- Ricardo Cla ro OAS CA Confe e 1'-e coordinator for Chi1ecin G- vernm ent · •· · · - J · _ ·- ' ·• • • • United States The Soc et _ ry William D R01 iers Assistant Secretary for InrerAJncri ca u Affairs An hony Hervas Interpreter · · i ··' · _ - · Dl STIUOUTION URCaSS HEil Th-a secreta51 This i s a beautiful building The cunference is well organj ed A e you meelins •with all the delegation Pinochet Yes Two or three a day Z want to tell you we arA grata£ul thet yo have come to the I c onf erence • • · t i - Th Sec reta z t i8 an honor I was touched by the popu1 r raception when z arrivea I have a stro g feeling of friendship in Chlle Pinochet _· ·l _ ·····I it - A ArtmRogars cjs D tit1 1 OJu1 '1 o i 1rJ i · I CGDS • • ·- - · · · UNCLASSIFIED· - -· --· PR -01' 99 FRfl 13 39 · -- - 1 · • ·-· - _ • • • t• • P 00 2 TEL i34 ti 2j4l GERALD FORD LIBRARY UNCLASSIFIED -2- struggle we are a part of It is a turtner stage of the same conflict which erupted into the Spanish Civil War And we not the fact that though the Spaniarda tried to stop communism 40 years ago it j s s ing ng up ag i n in Spain The Sec etary · •' We had the Sp nish Xi ng recently imd I c iscusAP d tha t very iss u with him • n Pinochet ' T have always been 1 g2 1 in st Cc rmmw·Li m Du cing the Vict-Nc' l m WIU' I met with some of your milita y and· ma d clear tot hem · - • · - · my anti-Comznunimu and told them J hoped the y c oul d bri ug 4bu t its de t'eat 'l'ha Secret I'inoc he t In VieL-NdU we de eated ourseives th ough our internal divisions There is a worldwia propaganda campaign by the communists Chile is suffering from that propaqar da · ·eztort on fo t tunately we do not have the millions needed for counter propagand The secretary I ust say your spokesman Sergio nie2 was very effectiv€ in this mnniincr's General Assembly session in P crilain ing your position In thA Onitsd States a s you know WA Are sym pathet io with wh i t you are tryi fig to do herQ I t h ink t la t i i - _ ' to intervene in your domestic affairs we can'e be precise in ou c proposals about what you should do But this is a prcble n Which complicates our relationships and the efforts of those who are friends------- · _ •• i · r i fl$- ' · the prAvious government wa heoded toward C01TrmUnism We wi Jh your governmcnl well • At i he came time we £a ee ma siv uomest1c problems in a 11 l 1 a nehes of l he government eep01'li lly Congress ut lso in the l3xecu-tdve over t ht lssue ot hwnan rights M you know Cun ess is now debating further c straints on aid to Chile We A e upposed Bu basically we don't liant -_ r I ·- •• ·•· · · ·• ' - · UHCLASSJflW ' · E-- APR · 02' 99 f FR Il I3 o --- - 1 P OOj GERALD FORD LI BRA RY - ----3- Chi le T am tJOing to S eak iiliout hu mltn right- this afternoon in the General Ass mt' bly I delayed my stat emwit until I coulq talk to you we n d you to und e -z eand my po si tion tte wa nt to deal in moral pex suasion not hy legal sanctions • I t is for l hl reason tha-c we oppose the Rsm acdy Amendment · • L I a my statement I will treat human riqhts in general terms and human right in a world context I will refer in two paragraphs to the report on Chile of the OA Ruman Rights Commission I will say t hat the human rights issue has impairArl relations between the U S and Chila This -is partly the result f Con re sional actions I will add hat I hope you wi il shortly remove thns obstacles 1 will al n call atcention to the Cuba i report nd to the hypocri y of aome who c iill attention to human right i as 11 mea11 of intervening in govc nment I can uu · ho lau s - without producing_e rea i Liuri in the u s which would lead Lo i yisla ive X'cotric-tion s The speech l i not aimed t Chile I wanL tl tu teli you aoout tnis My evalu aLio 1 ls that you are a victim of all leLt-wi ng groups around the world and tlta t your- grea est sin was that you · ·1· · - - overthrew a gove nment which was oing Communist • ·· -·• But e nave a practical · prol lem we have to take into account vithqut bringing about pressures incompatib P · with yow dignity and· at the same timA which does oot lead to U S laws whi h will - undemine our relationship It would really he 1r if you would let· us know the mMt nrP s you are taking in th human right fiGle NonQ of thi is said with the hopQ of unc el 'fflining your goveaunent • I want you to u0c eed snd I -want to -eLa i a the po ibility 0£ aid _ ' -• GERALD FORD LIBRARY APR -02' 991FRll 13 40 TEL i34 i4l 234 P 004 - · · m tlASSlflEO -- -· - If we defeat the KennP n y amandmellt I don It know if ynn listc 2i in en my phone but if you do you have just he rd me issue instructions to Wc shingLon to make 11n all-out effort to de jl l t that -i f dafaa1 it we will deliver ·the F-SE's as we s eed to do We held up for a whilQ in others t0 avoid providing additional mmn ur it iun to our enemies • ··•- · · - ·1 Pi nr ichai we are returning o nstitutionalization tep by tep But we are constantly being c i ttacked t y the Christian DemocraticR • - They bave a strong voice in Washington Not·the people in tbe Pentagona but thAy do get through to_Congress has a c cess Also Letelier f -i ' - - - - · · The Secrsta cy I have notseen a Christian Demccr t for years • Pinochet Also T011lic and other I don't ecall Letelier ha e to the Con re We · ow ey a re givin false information You see WA hava no a tpericnce in gove t n - J ·-' ·l - • l _ i Gabriel Valdez e-- We a re warried about 0ur ima r i I In ferJ days we will publish l he ennstit utional article on hum4n rights and also another etting up the council of State There are ll nwr ber ot' eftort s ment - ·· -- - we arc making Lo uve to 1nseitutionali2at ion tn tlw er onomic area we have paid oux- cleb l s a1 ter the renegotiation We are paying $700 mil ion in debts with ' -1·· f interest this year We have made land And we are taking other constitutional measures We have freAd most detained prisoners There havA been reforms 60 more 'just recentLy In Sept Ambar ll 1974 I challenged the Sovi ts to sot free their priaoners But i hay haven'- done so while we ha vft nnly 400 peopl c who are now deta inP d On interna t ion4l relations we arP noing well Zn the case of Bolivi we have ex c naed cur gouu will It al1 dapend now on reru • ·-I' i •••• - s · · · 11HCl SSlfIED _ - -_ - · - - • • • • • -6 P 005 TEL 734 74l 234l GER LO FORD LIBRARY APR ·02' 99tFRI J 13 41 j - • ·• v-111 •• s -s- iI i -· · · ' - - The Sec c tarv I have the impression that PP - u is ct very sympathetic Pinochet You are right PP nt doe not wi3h to see the idea prn Osed · The Sec reta y Peru t nld m a t hoy wouJ d get no port out o the arrangement Pinochet · 'Peru is annins E -eru is t c ying to buy a carrier £rom the Brltlsh ror $1 0 mi llion It is al io building £our torpedo boa ts in Eurt1pe Peru is breaking-the arms be la nee in the South Pacific It has 600 t11u k i trom the oviet union We are do uig what we can to sustain ourselves in case of an emergency The Secretary What are you·doing inoch t we are lacgely modifying old arm am en $ fixing jun ed units We are a pP o lle with energy We have no Indi ns The secretacy · gather Chile ger eraJly wins its war3 Pinochet have people We slowly_ making progre a We Are now down ta 400 we hava frc d mo e Anu we a e -'llso changing acme sentences so that thepris0n rc c be e1ig ble tor ieaving I· • • · - - - -- I The ot If you ould rou the rel ases instead ·20 o week hcwe a bigg r program of SAt T 'eta ey t- -·-• - war We arQ a P r0ud nn the huma n·ri ht 3 front we e never 1 o c t a relea es th t would oe better for the psyc ls ologic a l impact of the releases What I mean 1s not tnat j·ou should delay but - t lat you should group the releases • But to return to the mil itarv aid question J real1y don' t knol how it will go ' t tomorrow in the Senate The Buchanan amendment is wn1 'kable Trucco I repeat that if the Beu ve s on cuccced ' he secretary •• __ - ·-- then we·will send t- pla nes - a 'J l - - P 006 TEL i34 Hi 3 GERALD FORD LIBRARY APR -02· 991FRI 13 1 uucrn JfltH •-· s -6 Trucco Discus ea the technical a ects of · tha 1975 1 76 4nd 1977 legislation Truc n- The problem is uvw in the senate· for Fraser has already· the FY 1977 blll had his i en4ment passed by the Rouse · I understand We have our position on that • My statement and our position are designed to allow· us to say to the The Sccret Y '- ii • · Congress that we are talking to t e C ilaan govel 'nment and therefore CongrA R naed not act We had the choic hetho should come er not Wa thought i beet er for hile if I CUie· My st tament i3 not • o fensive to ChilA Ninety-five p rcent of what I say i DlicablQ· to all the governn ent of the Bemicphcrc It incluu s things ynn-r own people have sa id · I Trucco We arc strong1y ill £4vcr of gt rengthening the 0 i i Caaiznisslcn That's true ' 1 - · We arc-not askin Lhe OA5 to endorse anything l have tci lxed With cth e delegation We wa ut i n ou-c corr e which 1s not · r it deeply l S llbcLC rassing- to you -·· ··i - - -d1 must be able to point to even here in Chile or we will be efeated As Angola demonstrates Congress is in a mood of - -' · _ But as · riends -must tell you that we face ·a situGtio in the United States where we ' destructiveness We were in a oad I Osit ion in Angola We thought Angola nu ld become the Viet-Nam of Cuba This 70uld h lva occurred if Cuba had h gun to auc in 2 0 casua li ties a 1i1eek Cuba c ou1d not bave stood th i r f or long We hMi the force l for that Congress stopped us Dut I ' · 1 t · - f- ·- - · am pAl 'l llad•d that t hc Executive wb1 Jt ver i• tectad will be stronger afLe the 11leeticn · •- - ·- Pinochet H° 1 cloos tho os lee i he prolJJ ein between · Chi la and I'eru • · • • t• • · · •••• ' · --UNClASSIHEO · P oo · TEL 734 - 1 2341 GER LD FORD Li BRARY APR -02'99 FR l 13 4 -I ' ' ' - I -1The Gecretary after a pause We would not likP to ee a conflict Much depends on who begin it Pinochet The question is really how to·prc7cnt I ·- _ · _ • it _ · · • f - ' 11· 1 - l the beginning The Se_cretary The AmArican peoplg woul d sk who i ·aav ncing on whom • Pinochet But you know what 's going on here sgo it with your satellltes The ecretary Well l can A u e you th a 1f you ta Jee Liffia' yo will t3ve l i1 tle U S support Pinochet We did it once a hundred yea rs ago It wou J d be i icUlt now in view of the F esent balance ot forces The CecJ e La r y l Peru attacked this would be a seriou matter for a country armed with Soviet equipment It would be se ious Clearly we would oppose it diplorn atica11y But it all depends beyond that It i not easy to generate support for u s milit ry action these days Pinochet We must figh with our owu a rmo7 t - · _ _ -_ -j • I The Secretarl ' _ j I di t -i nquish bt 1 ween pr f erence s aiid proba bilitiGs rt depend how lt happens If there is na ked aygress1on that mcang greater mo£ · general resistance ·· •• l I · • T• I •I ti A sume the wc r t thae is to say tha -1 Chile i the Ag r sor Peru defends itself l inochQt and th n attacks us tt • s ot that easy 'l'he Sccretc y What happens We will know who the aggressor is If you are not the aqgrP sor1 then you will have support But e ggr Assio c does n0t i esolve i uternational disp11te c • One side can stage an incident 'Rut generai1y we will knov who thA gin or is ou t - ---- -'I • J - • · •• • ' - _ utlClASSlf lED ' · ·- · · · · - ·- _ ·-- - PR -02· 99 FR j 42 -- P 008 TEL 7j4 741 23H GER LO FORD LIBR RY • ' s -8- -· C ' 'Vajal ••' · -- Americ states - · fj The Seere ·· I have suppori P n Bolivia in it D spir tious to the SA3 but da la Flo ib not happy a bout i t Carvajal ln the case of Bolivia if we give Bolivia some territory Bolivian territory might be quarant4ed by the · · If we g ve o e territo4-y tu Bo1ivia and then pcntltted Peru tc t he use the port Peru would ge everyt hlng it needs 't'he SQeratary pcj_noc bet rt i JD y eel lng Peru will not accept r Gl uacerned very muc l b l the Peruvian Circmnstances might produce agsress1on by Peru Hby a re they buying tanks hey have heavy artillery 155 1 s sitc ustion Peru is more inclined to Russia than thP tJ i Russia supports their people 1no1 We are behi d you You are the lead' ' r2ut you have a punitive system for your f iends 'J 'he secretary There is merit in-whar you SAYa c-J rious time in the o s It i We sol'7ed th' problem 0£ the l rg-c tran nA ion i nte rpricca We ·renegotiate · t 'he expropriation c nd c emonsL c ctted cur good faith by m iking prompt p yments on the ind•btsu noca I1 i i unfortune L e We have been through Viet-Nam and Watergate we have to wait until Ute elections We welcomed the ave 'throw ot the Contnunist-inclined 9uveJ mnent here We are not out to weaken your position On foreign aqgre i cn t wou d be a grave situation il one WPre attacked Th at wocld constitute a dtrsct threat to the inter-1 merican sy r Pm c ivajal There is massive Cuban inflUP nr •· in l'Qru Many Cu bans are thera Tht P · da n- -u 3 y · - -- 1 ·- · - I P ooq TEL 73 i41 2341 GERALD FORD LIBR ln PR -01'991FRll 13 4j I I l ·1 -9- I I' be pushed And what ha ens to the th0usands of CUba n soldiers nt lw i i Atril a hen they•are no langar there · rhe secreta rz If there are Cu ban troops involved in A Peruvian attack then tbe problem is Qsy We 1ill no Grmit a Cuban inilitary orce of 5 000 Cu bans in Peru • • ThfllY now ha va a y 9 1 em whe n the 'Peruvians ent'-%' in sroups of 20 t the Peruvian re giS t xy rogi -ter s only J • na9dcd • I The SecrP t cy he CUbAns are not good soliders Ca aj i l But there i the c 'la nger ot irresponsible ' - attack hav sources in Peru There is I am told a real chance that Cuba could air lift troops to Peru Z Claro his would chanae the situation and the question then easy WA wi 11 not permit Cuba another military adventure A w r between Peru and ChiJA would be a complex thing but a war hetw Qn Cu ba d Chile or other we would not be indifftrent · is Your plannP rs ware down here in 1974 Claro ·they did not bolievc that the was a Cub r thre t The Soviets LUie Cuba ror ag roa ion Z arg-ued Ango1a has since confirmed thi We will not olerate another Cuban military A£tlll the elect on we ill have ive ouble i they are not out of move ' A rlgoid secondly I also feel stronger thAt we ca n_ t accept coexistence and ideulog cal sub'version We ha e th A condit ons now for a more realisti volicy It would help you if _you had somA hunia n rights progress which could bA announced in packages The most impo nt rs the constitutional cruarantees The precise _- 1 ' ·- · -· •' ·• · ··' -- • •• ' · _ ···- MClASSlf D- · • P 010 T L 734 Hl 23 1 ' _ ' · · · - - ·· h ' --- UJ LthJj ritU -10- n'lmbc r t of prisoI 1 1 rs is subordinate Riqht to hiLl Je c1 s corpus is al so iruportant And if uu could give us ad anced inforn i ation u your human rights efforts we cc iulct use this As to the Christian Democxats we aze not using them I haven't seen one since 1969 We want to l 'ernove the weapons ill the arms of our enemies It is a Phenomennn that NQ deal with special severity with cur £rLcnds I want to see our relation nd fr cnd3hip ilaprove I e couraged the OAS to have i 3 General Assembly b r I knew it wouid ada prestiq1 1 to Chile I o3llle £or th l reason W• h ava sugg-ection We want to help not und rminc you You did great A'l 'Vica to the We t in over ll rowing Allende I Othei visQ Chile would have oilowea CUba Then there YQuld hi t Ve been nu human rights or a R 1ftlal1 n1ghts Comml ion • ' •· I · ·• - -- I • Trucco _ - ' We p ovided the Gene al ASsembly the answers to scnu of the Secretary' s su g-g-r sti ons wtia t i ll be missing will - be our t xplana tion of the coming con tltut1onal ctt I 'l'hc Secri ta x Ca n you do those while the OAS is here Pinochet We have wanted to avoid doin anything wnile the OAS is here since it then loo ks as though e did i t to da Jnpan OAS pressure · We might be blca to in 30 days 'Ihe Secreta_ Y lf we can Pinochet T discw a·ea i t i n my ina ugl l C a l speech WA ara prepue to ay we have the JmprQssion that the onatiLutlonai act i s·holpfu l -- • I · -· -1 • - 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