File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R Ford Presidential Library MEMORANDUM THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON SECDiliiT NODIS XGDS MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION PARTICIPANTS President Ford Dr Henry A Kissinger Secretary of State Brent Scowcroft Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs DATE AND TIME Wednesday February 25 1976 9 21 - 10 10 a m PLACE The Oval Office President Was it a tiring trip Kissinger Not like a Middle East trip It was a good trip except for our press who were always looking for trouble No one can go down there without riots but there were only 30 students in Lima throwing rocks fJ H we could do something on trade I think we could really do well in Latin America I will talk to Simon about some preferential rates for Latin America I know it is against our economic theory but the Europeans do it I am having a study done l President Can't we move to get the Trade Act amended t - I Ii w d I Kissinger We will work on that but that is only Ecuador and Venezuela One other thing -- Guatemala is unbelievable We need more help President Didn't we ask for aid i • · Scowcroft co u i Yes $25 million and it is understood even by 0MB that the total might go to $100 million - ii··· CLASSIFIED BY BRENT SCOWCROFT EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652 EXEMPTION CATEGORY S b l 3 AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ON hnp to det S QR NODIB XGDS 2 Kissinger Our military is doing a fantastic job I have asked for an estimate of the needs by March so we move before the rains come in May President Lets do whatever is necessary Kissinger All those people want you to win They are fearful of what is happening in this country They are scared to death about Cuba They are afraid of a race war I think we are going to have to smash Castro We probably can't do it before the elections President I agree Kissinger Reads a cable from Cairo reporting on Mohammed R iad I s trip through Africa and Egyptian concern about the US-Soviet positions in Africa -- Cairo 2451 -- attached President How about the Sahara Kissinger We are giving Morocco some equipment but the Soviet Union is pouring in equipment I think people are beginning to realize we were right on Angola President Right And I don't think we should let them forget it Kissinger I think we shouldn't be defensive on Reagan I would be positive -- you kept the peace you are strong and you have a policy President I think Reagan will lash out in Florida and if he does we will take him on I have read Nixon's toast he said about Helsinki Kissinger Impossible winging his remarks He didn't mean what the papers said That was a throwaway made when he was President It hurt in New Hampshire though much It is hard to say how Kissinger Look he wants a stalemate between you and Reagan so Connally will get in -SE£' B i T NODIS XGDS S 8€Rii T NODIS XGDS 3 President We both know that is his aim Kissinger Discusses Nixon especially the deposition on the Halperin case But I think he has killed himself with this trip The reason I think we have to debrief him is that Hua' s speech carefully avoided attacking the United States They have kept the protocol several notches lower than for you They have really been meticulous about us and I think we have to get from Nixon what the discussions were President Yes I agree I don't think I have rejected that to manage it without undo fanfare Kissinger That raises a problem weekend to pick up Nancy President Let 1 s think about it But we have I will be in Palm Springs this That is a tough one Zumwalt I hear blasted us in announcing his candidacy Kissinger He is a shit I have gone over our records He used to meet with me occasionally and he never mentioned those issues President I think we should get that information to Harry Byrd I issinger Harry has said he would use our material President Let's do it Byrd has lots of credibility He could clobber not only Zumwalt but those guys saying we are soft on Communism Kissinger This SALT debate is unbelievable How can we negotiate when every position is in the press like Les Gelb I think we shouldn't pursue it now until after the election President Let's wait to see what the Soviets reply interest to have an agreement Kissinger I agree there With Sisco out I would like Habib in there S 6 RW NODIS XGDS It is in the national SJiiCI iBT NODIS XGDS 4 President He is a good man - 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