C l 8093344 Date 07 31 2015 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2001-02979 Doc No C18093344 4 I TELCON Rums feld Rums¢feld Sec Kissinger Sec December 23 23 1974 9 35 a m FULL r e l e a s e IN in full RELEASE K Did I I wake you up R You did I will wake you up Someday I I will be going into a I told them not to wake you up but I K I meeting soon R R II am glad you called th Helms matter II don't know K I want to talk to you about the K I to·wh t what body the facts remotely II have no knowledge whatever to we e any· there were any such euch activities they were of fact it refers If th re H sch not reported to the NSC office but I th t Cy Hersch kpow that I do know not reported ahd II think for aa senior official to get is aa son-of-a-bitch and the basis on thS Admin tration 9n th Administration villified without opposition from the The e are no facts busine s There such-ah article is dangerous business of such an g-iye us a to give Col y · to just allegatiqns allegations First· First we should ask Colby a report s is refers· atev7r it o which this reisers' atever b Y of fact to r port oh the body what could He sch Hersch be referring I f thhy inves iga'cona -ucted investiga­ th conducted to I f referri g to Wl at I mean At tions of Americans -— for what vi at purpose S e what I see what I don't least then we would know what we are talking about I · know know now I finally I tried to reach you or Brent and I R That is why I R got l' In e 1 t K I I did not know you tried to reach me R report We were trying f gure out if we should try to get a report tryi g to figure K Ask him for a body of fact through NSC channels which this know· of t know refer II don• don't of any where in investigating could possible r fer run across Americans If the files get foreign agents they ru investiga­ constituted it could be in this way Perhaps they did investigations for Nixon II don't know whom they report them to They tnem never reported them to us and if they reported them certainly nev r Halderman and Ehrlichman Ehrlichmcin why didn't that come out earlier to Halderman and R Yes you ••• Why don't you th President -- for the K I sho ld make any — don't think Nessen should to have said he ordered it stopped gave it a dignity it does · · not deserve deserve I ■S Department of State Case No F-2001-02979 Doc Doc No C18093344 Date 07 31 2015 UNCLASSIFIED U S UNCLASSIFIE D U S Department of State Case No F-2001-02979 Doc No C18093344 Date UNCLASSIFIED Date 07 31 2015 TELCON TELCPN Rumsfeld p 22 R I don't think he said that I K K That is what ·they they are playing playi g R My understanding understand ing was was that he said that he has been R My assured by Colby assured by Colby that it is not going on at the present not_going time time K K The way way they they are are playing playi g it is that it had been going The goi g on on R really life R That That is is really life has or not The President doesn’t doesn't know whether it K Right • I I am am not not saying saying it has or has not 1I ·am K Right am saying I I do It is not fair to Helms What we have is an' do not not know know an· article article by by He rsch Hersch which makes some concrete condrete allegation allegations s It say It says they they at ate shocked by what they found but but· it does not not say what they found R I suggested s ggest d to to Kennedy Kenneqy that you two might want to talke to R I to Schlesi ge Schlesingerr siui as well as Colby K su gestipn • 1 K Let Let me me make make the following suggestion I willa will ask Colby Colby for port for the President 's use I for aa written re written report tte President's I do not know know what body body of fact this could be referring to what o We will will ask ask Schles ge Schlesingerr the same ques same question tion Nessen then can say the the President President h s has asked for aa written report and he will decide what to what to do do after after he has seen this report That way we look look discipline d disciplined and and thoughtful -thoughtful Obviously the CIA must operate within within the -the law law II don't think we shuld es ress opinion expres·s an _opinion on tion at this point 1 on an an inv tiga investigation I am shying saying at State that if if any kkiqx nal Committee wants Helms of course we anykkXHgx Congressio Congressional we will bring bri g him back R O K K K Do you agree gr e with that R sensible to me I I am a little groggy Let me R Sounds Solids sensible me think think about about it it Are you sending anything oht otit in writing in K I will will send send it it out as soon as I K I I can now R I I have nothing to to send send No papers comong out K I will will ask K I written written report we should have for a written report from Colby and ask for a and send it to you within 48 hours hours I I think a written rport and it should go go to to the the President President D U S Department of State Case No F-2001-02979 Doc No C I UNCLASSIFIE UNCLASSIFIED l 8093344 Date 07 31 2015 C18093344 07 31 2015 UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case No F-2001-02979 Doc No C18093344 Date 07 31 2015 Evonsfled Rumsfled p 3 R O K o K handle it President the press to way to the way like the Let me think cibout about this Sounds like the way the the way sounds the Interestingly it sounds to me Interestingly with talki g with in talking head in his head from off the top of his handled it ·from yesterday into K I I think if we give too much credence without looking into decent public a is Helms ptiblic decent it we will demoralize everybody then Colby then call Colby will call I will servant iintil I until proven otherwise R Good END l 8093344 Date 07 31 2015 · C18093344 No F-2001-02979 Doc No C UNCLASSIFIED U S Department of State Case N o