o c 2226 2226 -SECRET -sfi€«er“ THE THE WHITE WHITE HOUSE HOUSE WASHINGTON WASHINGTON DECLASSIFIED DECLASSIFIED PER 13526 PER E O E 0 13526 2 0 '5 f - 'J ol5-- D7'o'l0731- 3 iyio 8 KB -f KfiH 3 13 0 r MEMORANDUM MEMORANDUM OF OF CONVERSATION CONVERSATION SUBJECT SUBJECT Working Working Dinner Dinner with with President President Boris Boris Yeltsin Yeltsin U U PARTICIPANTS PARTICIPANTS The The President President Warren Warren Christopher Christopher Secretary Secretary of of State State Lloyd Bentsen Secretary of Treasury Lloyd Bentsen Secretary of Treasury Mack Mack McLarty McLarty Chief Chief of of Staff Staff George Stephanopoulos George Stephanopoulos Assistant Assistant to to the the President and Director of Communications President and Director of Communications Anthony Anthony Lake Lake Assistant Assistant to to the the President President for for National Security Affairs National Security Affairs Samuel Samuel Berger Berger Deputy Deputy Assistant Assistant to to the the President for National Security President for National Security Affairs Affairs Thomas Thomas Pickering Pickering Ambassador-Designate Ambassador-Designate to to Russia Russia Toby Toby T T Gati Gati Special Special Assistant Assistant to to the the President for National Security President for National Security Affairs Affairs Nicholas Burns Nicholas Burns Director Director for for Russian Russian Ukrainian and Eurasian NSC Staff Ukrainian and Eurasian Affairs Affairs NSC Staff Rose Gottemoeller Director for Russian Rose Gottemoeller Director for Russian Ukrainian NSC Staff Ukrainian and and Eurasian Eurasian Affairs Affairs NSC Staff Notetaker Notetaker Boris Boris Yeltsin Yeltsin President President Boris Boris Fedorov Fedorov Finance Finance Minister Minister Andrei Andrei Kozyrev Kozyrev Foreign Foreign Minister Minister Alexander Alexander Shokhin Shokhin Deputy Deputy Prime Prime Minister Minister Viktor Ilyushin Chief Assistant Viktor Ilyushin Chief Assistant to to the the President President Vladimir Vladimir Lukin Lukin Russian Russian Ambassador Ambassador to to the the US US Dmitri Ryurikov Assistant to the President Dmitri Ryurikov Assistant to the President Georgy Georgy Mamedov Mamedov Deputy Deputy Foreign Foreign Minister Minister Vyacheslov Kostikov Press Vyacheslov Kostikov Press Secretary Secretary DATE TIME DATE TIME AND AND PLACE PLACE April 6 30 -- 8 30pm 8 30pm April 3 3 1993 1993 6 30 Vancouver Canada Vancouver Canada Both prepared toasts Both Presidents Presidents opened opened the the dinner dinner by by giving giving prepared toasts President This is is an an excellent excellent place place with with the the President Yeltsin Yeltsin This background of Vancouver harbor U background of Vancouver harbor U The The President President U Did you you take take a a boat boat ride ride after after our our meeting meeting today today Did U ·-SECR-Elf -S EGRET Declassify Declassify on on OADR OADR -SEGREf l 3 SE6REf - geRET' President Yes we we took took a a ride ride and and saw saw one one of of the the Presidfent Yeltsin Yeltsin Yes biggest ports in the world -it handles 79 million tons per biggest ports in the world -- it handles 79 million tons per year I don't know about the U S but our biggest port year I don't know about the U S but our biggest port turns turns over over only only 60 60 million million tons tons The The surroundings surroundings are are not not only only picturesque but but good U picturesque good for for development development U The The President President flags flags Do Do many many Minister Minister wouldn't wouldn't As II drove drove up up II saw saw As Russians Russians live live here here many people people holding holding Russian Russian many U U Shokhin These are are not not real real Russians Russians or or else else they they Shokhin These carry flags upside down U carry flags upside down U President They might might be be Russians Russians who who have have emigrated emigrated --President Yeltsin Yeltsin They we call them our compatriots abroad They might have suffered we call them our compatriots abroad They might have suffered during during the the time time of of the the Tsars Tsars The The Grand Grand Duke Duke Vladimir Vladimir Kirillovich was alive at the time It was Kirillovich was alive at the time It was aa very very touching touching meeting meeting We We have have adopted adopted aa law law on on dual dual citizenship citizenship This This is is another benefit of democracy If all of the states of another benefit of democracy If all of the states of the the former former USSR problem To be aa USSR adopted adopted such such laws laws there there would would not not be be aa problem To be citizen citizen of of Lithuania Lithuania and and Russia Russia is is okay okay Estonia Estonia and and Russia Russia is is okay But Estonia doesn't have such a law U okay But Estonia doesn't have such a law U Secretary Secretary Bentsen Bentsen Mr Mr President President campaigning between campaigning between now now and and April April President President Yeltsin Yeltsin The The President President speaking U speaking U how how much much time time will will you you spend spend 25 U 25 U All the the time time until until April April 25 25 All That's the the right right answer answer That's U U That's a a politician politician That's President President Yeltsin Yeltsin I'll not not miss miss a a day day I'll U U Secretary Secretary Bentsen Bentsen You should should use use television television You U U President There will will be be a a special program every every five five President Yeltsin Yeltsin There special program days with students artists workers intellectuals etc For days with students artists workers intellectuals etc For example II don't example on on April April 12 12 II will will meet meet 12 000 12 000 students students don't have have the right to lose It would be treachery to Russia Things the right to lose It would be treachery to Russia Things the the people people have have only only dreamt dreamt of of for for years years now now they they have have them them We We have big have 60 000 60 000 private private industries industries and and 5000 5000 of of them them are are big corporate enterprises Thirty million people are private corporate enterprises Thirty million people are private owners owners Where brain there Where the the genetic genetic code code has has been been removed removed from from the the brain there is is no no notion notion of of private private ownership ownership Today Today the the most most important important thing thing is psychological change people do is psychological change in in Russia Russia --- people do not not want want the the communists to come back Of course we will have difficulties communists to come back Of course we will have difficulties along but we along the the road road but we will will manage manage What What Bill Bill suggested suggested today today is is very important to helping us along the road We welcome very important to helping us along the road We welcome it it The The President President What What II thought thought we we would would talk talk about about tonight tonight is is what we can do I want to put together a program to build on what we can do I want to put together a program to build on what what you you are are doing doing and and what what you you think think is is important important Members Members of of Congress have asked me what can we do for Yeltsin that Congress have asked me what can we do for Yeltsin that responds responds to to what what he he wants wants what what he he thinks thinks is is needed needed to to help help the the Russian Russian people 9f' people - ECRET- r° SEGRE £ECRE'P -SflCRET- President President spoken spoken to to 8 Yeltsin I believe its been long time time since have Yeltsin I believe its been aa long since II have aa member of Congress U member of Congress U The They might might be be more more likely likely to to do do what what you you want want The President President They rather than what I want jZ rather than what I want JZ President But II understand understand it it depends depends on on you you and and your your President Yeltsin Yeltsin But influence influence with with Congress Congress Today Today I've I've tried tried to to explain explain that that the the major issues depend o a solution from Congress especially major issues depend on' a solution from Congress especially the the issues issues that that are are irritants irritants to to many many Russians Russians pj M II don't don't want want to to issue issue aa formal formal invitation invitation tonight tonight at at the the dinner dinner table and will do so tomorrow But when you come you table and will do so tomorrow But when you come you will will see see aa real real difference difference in in Russia Russia It It is is aa country country that that has has felt felt freedom freedom and and civil civil liberties liberties It It no no longer longer helps helps forty forty Communist Communist governments abroad not with a single kopek It pursues governments abroad not with a single kopek It pursues equitable equitable relations relations in in foreign foreign policy policy It It has has sniffed sniffed the the air air of of democracy felt freedom I would suggest that once we have democracy felt freedom I would suggest that once we have left left behind behind all all the the constraints constraints that that have have been been placed placed on on us us it it will will be not the Soviet Union but a different country We fight be not the Soviet Union but a different country We fight sometimes sometimes with with the the Communists Communists but but when when you you label label us us as as Communists we get offended I have already explained Communists we get offended I have already explained our our concerns to you You need to meet more people from our concerns to you You need to meet more people from our team team II will pass the floor to Fedorov will pass the floor to Fedorov The He is is young young even even by by the the standards of my my The President President He standards of administration U administration U President He is is one one of of the the youngest youngest members members of of my my President Yeltsin Yeltsin He government but he is close to the age of many Some are government but he is close to the age of many Some are younger younger Our Our single single deficit deficit is is that that we we have have no no women women We We have have reformers democrats but no republicans U reformers democrats but no republicans U Minister am responsible responsible for for finance finance and and development development Minister Fedorov Fedorov II am of economic reform without which reform is impossible of economic reform without which reform is impossible It It is is important that all elements of our reform package be supported important that all elements of our reform package be supported by by the the United United States States and and the the rest rest of of the the world world The The reforms reforms are are in in three three main main directions directions first first the the battle battle with with inflation inflation which which devalues people's savings bars investment and devalues people's savings bars investment and undermines undermines the the economy economy That That is is why why it it is is so so important important to to implement implement aa stabilization stabilization fund fund The The ruble ruble is is the the basis basis of of our our economic economic development development Success Success in in our our fight fight with with inflation inflation will will mean mean that that we can move forward with wider economic reforms and we can move forward with wider economic reforms and restructuring restructuring the the creation creation of of private private enterprises enterprises and and conversion of the military fa1 conversion of the military President should point point out out that that the the program program the the U S U S President Yeltsin Yeltsin II should Treasury has outlined contains proposals that serve our needs Treasury has outlined contains proposals that serve our needs in in health health care care support support for for small small enterprises enterprises and and so so forth forth Jf2-' Minister It is is important important to to have have a a clearcut clearcut program program in in Minister Fedorov Fedorov It the G-7 package so that we have an idea of what to expect this the G-7 package so that we have an idea of what to expect this year year in in the the way way of of support support We We have have aa program program of of private private ownership of land social support of the people and ownership of land social support of the people and restructuring restructuring of of industry industry so so that that we we can can help help the the people people so so that that they they will will not not suffer suffer 0 SECRE'f •SEGRET- %J 'L XJ l IL i SECRE'f _ ecrb¥- The The Secretary of the the Treasury Treasury has has The President President The Secretary of work to help stabilize the economy over and above work to help stabilize the economy over and above stabilization pi stabilization fund fund put in in a a lot lot of of put the the President pursue aa very President Yeltsin Yeltsin What What we we need need is is to to pursue very tough tough budgetary policy policy There period when budgetary There was was aa period when we we lost lost control control of of it it and adopted a populist program But now Federov is in control and adopted a populist program But now Federov is in control and pursuit of hard and in in pursuit of stability stability Even Even in in April April with with these these hard times bend £' times we we won' won' tt bend J f Secretary Mr President President II spent spent the the day day with with your your two two Secretary Bentsen Bentsen Mr Deputy Prime Ministers They are very impressive and they Deputy Prime Ministers They are very impressive and they represented well II am particularly impressed by the represented you you well am particularly impressed by the Federov Federov plan It is absolutely critical to stabilize the ruble plan It is absolutely critical to stabilize the ruble We We will will help help if if we we can can It It is is also also essential essential that that you you control control the the Central Central Bank Bank and and the the explosion explosion of of capital capital including including the the expansion of the budget 5 expansion of the budget President Unfortunately we we have have not not yet yet been been able able to to President Yeltsin Yeltsin Unfortunately rip the Central Bank from the Parliament But we made its rip the Central Bank from the Parliament But we made its Chairman Chairman aa member member of of the the government government so so his his duty duty is is to to it it Secretary Secretary Bentsen Bentsen is put into is put into effect effect deficit µ3 5 deficit down down We share share We you you will will that objective objective If the the Federov Federov plan plan that If stabilize the currency and get the stabilize the currency and get the President Federov is is a a very very tough tough personality personality but but he he President Yeltsin Yeltsin Federov is also mild in character But he is tough on the budget so even is also mild in character But he is tough on the budget so even the pressure of policies So the pressure of the the President President won't won't affect affect his his policies So the the President has to support Federov Shokhin and Mikhailov who President has to support Federov Shokhin and Mikhailov who will will get uranium µr5 get his his $800 $800 million million for for the the uranium Secretary Secretary Bentsen Bentsen April April 14-15 14-15 Japan Japan aa major major contributor contributor We accelerated accelerated the the We wanted to be host wanted to be host to to the the effort effort when when G-7 meeting meeting in in Tokyo Tokyo to to G-7 and I am sure they will be and I am sure they will be we get through we get through President know that that Bill Bill discussed discussed this this with with Miyazawa Miyazawa President Yeltsin Yeltsin II know and there seems for the first time in years to be a shift and there seems for the first time in years to be a shift in in Japan's policy toward Japan's policy toward us us That That is is he he should should not not link link the the territories problems j S1' territories to to our our problems The Sometimes The President President Sometimes no I hope when no I hope when Miyazawa Miyazawa mean mean yes yes this this time time when when says says the Japanese Japanese say say yes yes the yes he means yes II yes he means yes they mean mean they think think they they Secretary Canada the the U S U S and and Russia Russia share share a a common common Secretary Bentsen Bentsen Canada ocean but also admiration of the rebirth of a nation and ocean but also admiration of the rebirth of a nation and the the courage courage of of aa President President that that has has impressed impressed the the rest rest of of the the G-7 G-7 too too They They are are the the major major stockholders stockholders of of the the international international financial participate in financial institutions institutions We We will will see see that that they they participate in the the G-7 process as stockholders G-7 process as stockholders µ r President President to to double double '-SfiGSBT Yeltsin As far Yeltsin As far as as II know know France France and and Canada Canada decided decided their share y8' their share SEGREf GCCRET er TOCX - B€RET Secretary Yes that's that's right right Secretary Christopher and and Secretary Bentsen Bentsen Yes Secretary Christopher II will be in Tokyo and will report back to the President We are will be in Tokyo and will report back to the President We are very very optimistic optimistic that that we'll we'll see see some some action action We We are are impressed impressed by by the privatization of industry We are interested in the privatization of industry We are interested in seeing seeing the the restoration restoration of of oilfields oilfields and and of of trade trade We We want want to to help help on on the the stabilization of the currency 8' stabilization of the currency J President As for for oil oil we we need need approximately approximately $2 $2 billion billion President Yeltsin Yeltsin As First we· need to restore the level of production and then First we need to restore the level of production and then to to raise proposal made raise it it Well Well take take for for example example the the proposal made to to you you to to move move into into new new areas areas of of oil oil and and gas gas sources sources 'This This requires requires capital capital --- in in the the Stochrnan Stochman oil oil and and gas gas area area for for example example and and can can be developed only by the U S or Japan Sakhalin can be be developed only by the U S or Japan Sakhalin can be developed developed by by the the U S U S Japan Japan and and Europe Europe So So Japan Japan South South Korea Korea and the U S can develop these areas Our business people and the U S can develop these areas Our business people are are too too modest modest or or too too careful careful in in developing developing that that area area Take Take another another example -the gas reserves found by our geologists If example -- the gas reserves found by our geologists If II were were aa young businessman I would start a venture to open up that young businessman I would start a venture to open up that Stochrnan Stochman area area It It so so happens happens that that we we in in Russia Russia have have aa huge huge reserve of gas and oil and we can share it on an reserve of gas and oil and we can share it on an equitable equitable basis basis S' Secretary Secretary Bentsen Bentsen II come come from from Texas Texas We We once once had had more more oil oil and and gas than anywhere in the Union We found that what works gas than anywhere in the Union We found that what works in in Texas Texas can can work work for for you you in in Russia Russia But But you you must must do do something something on on private property on the uniformity of taxes and on private property on the uniformity of taxes and on other other reforms jJ' reforms President after conferring conferring with with Shokhin No we we have have President Yeltsin Yeltsin after Shokhin No passed the exams for the first grade out of ten in market passed the exams for the first grade out of ten in market economics economics So So give give us us some some time time with with your your help help to to learn learn You You understand that our managers don't have the necessary skills understand that our managers don't have the necessary skills They planning c rf They know know only only state state planning The The only only point point we we want want to to make make is is that that we we believe believe The President President The we can help much more in energy to help you increase your we can help much more in energy to help you increase your pipeline efficiency pipeline efficiency We We have have also also given given thought thought to to more more assistance in improving the safety of your nuclear plants assistance in improving the safety of your nuclear power power plants II will will work work on on this this with with the the Congress Congress next next week week If If you you are are interested we can work with you on this and on the Exim interested we can work with you on this and on the Exim Bank Bank $2 $2 billion loan y£1' billion loan President President Yeltsin Yeltsin nodding nodding II understand understand you you Germany Germany Italy Italy Canada said they would do it and they gave up We Canada said they would do it and they gave up We could could raise raise oil production by percent by by improving pipelines oil production by twenty twenty percent improving the the pipelines This is a specific and congJ ete project You can This is a specific and con ete project You can invest invest your your money and get it back $ money and get it back The We would would like like to to try try and and have have a a detailed detailed The President President We conversation with you and to work on it over a three conversation with you and to work on it over a three to to five five year year period We believe your greatest opportunity is in energy period We believe your greatest opportunity is in energy and and we we want want to to make make aa major major effort effort there there President President Yeltsin Yeltsin three years three years -S CRE- r You You said said five five years years No No How How about about two two or or ecT oro ■O L1 B -SECRET rBeSBT The The President President Even better better Even Two is is fine fine Two µr 1 0 President Absolutely So we we know know that that Well Well we we could could President Yeltsin Yeltsin Absolutely So raise our production by twenty percent by improving wells and raise our production by twenty percent by improving wells and pipelines And pipelines And if if that that happens happens we we wouldn't wouldn't need need the the $1 6 $1 6 billion or even three dollars from the U S We could get by billion or even three dollars from the U S We could get it it by raising production But our technology isn't good enough raising production But our technology isn't good enough 21 So but do II am So you you can can chastise chastise us us but do something something am certain certain that that in in five jazz in five years years we we will will be be competing competing in in the the arts arts in in jazz in oil oil and and we jazz actually we will will catch catch up up with with you you II am am sorry sorry about about jazz actually II am am not certain about that 81 not certain about that The The you you President Maybe not not in in jazz jazz President Maybe in your rich culture U in your rich culture U President President Yeltsin Yeltsin Yes Yes But But we we need need to to catch catch up up with with We have have ballet ballet classical classical music music We U U The This afternoon afternoon we we discussed discussed the the possibility possibility of of The President President This changes in our law on space I told you that I would review changes in our law on space I told you that I would review your your request request which which II will will do do But But it it is is clear clear that that in in the the next next two two to potential in to three three years years we we have have economic economic potential in space space and and energy energy You should be able to earn hard currency and be competitive You should be able to earn hard currency and be competitive We We thought be helpful thought it it would would be helpful in in addition addition to to our our economic economic assistance assistance to to establish establish aa Russia-U S Russia-U S Council Council on on Energy Energy and and Space My Vice President is an authority on both Space My Vice President is an authority on both issues issues We We believe that put believe that ove over the the next next six six months months to to aa year year we we can can put together together aa range range of of things things to to add add income income to to your your country country It It seems it should be organized as an ongoing effort seems it should be organized as an ongoing effort in in energy energy and and space space Your Your Foreign Foreign Minister Minister Mr Mr Kozyrev Kozyrev mentioned mentioned this this idea idea to to me me and and mentioned mentioned Chernomyrdin Chernomyrdin President He is is not not mentioning mentioning the the right right names names President Yeltsin Yeltsin He decide who will be on this commission decide who will be on this commission JtS The No not not your your Vice Vice The President President No Nyet both Presidents laughed Nyet both Presidents laughed at at President mine mine No Rutskoi Rutskoi President No this point e1 this point President Well II believe believe this this President Yeltsin Yeltsin Well to Chernomyrdin who knows energy and to Chernomyrdin who knows energy and oil oil after after my my return return II will will authorize authorize him him to to President yS-- President Secretary Secretary Bentsen Bentsen space space President President Yeltsin Yeltsin F The President The President Russia Russia you you can can II will will matter should should be be given given matter and gas Immediately and gas Immediately deal deal with with your your Vice Vice Maybe your your Vice Vice President President should should be be sent into Maybe sent into For two two years years for for example example For We will will do do it it We In the the U S U S we we send send teachers teachers into into space space In send politicians J R f send politicians In In President Why not not believe we we can can have have the the whole whole President Yeltsin Yeltsin Why II believe team use our Soyuz spacecraft fa' team use our Soyuz spacecraft SBCRE' E' - ECRE'P— ■OCTubTCT -8 ElCRE'f SECRETThe The President President people along I'll pay half half the the costs costs if if you you let let me me send send a a few few I'll pay cp p President Granted do wonder wonder at at all all the the people people President Yeltsin Yeltsin Granted II do trying to do harm to Russia We are experiencing difficult times trying to do harm to Russia We are experiencing difficult times and are at a turning point We are fighting for freedom And and are at a turning point We are fighting for freedom And at at this who try try to to do do us us harm harm this point point there there are are certain certain people people who However thing We We can How However my my team team is is doing doing the the right right thing can fight fight How about Lukin Is he doing well or should we transfer him about Lukin Is he doing well or should we transfer him The The President President J2'5 want him him to to work work for for me me he he is is doing doing so so well well II want President President Yeltsin Yeltsin aa wiseguy K wiseguy The The President President He is wiseguy and and he he likes likes to to be be known known as as He is aa wiseguy He is is representing representing you you very very well well here here He 21 President Very well well This post is is considered considered more more President Yeltsin Yeltsin Very This post important than any in Moscow We hope your new Ambassador to important than any in Moscow We hope your new Ambassador to Moscow will help us greatly especially at this time in the Moscow will help us greatly especially at this time in the development we agreed to establish development of of our our reforms reforms Today Today we agreed to establish another another working group on military and technical issues will working group on military and technical issues Grachev Grachev will visit name the the group group then then visit the the U S U S in in June June and and we we will will name Due Due our our to we agreed to your your President's President's proposal proposal we agreed first names It was difficult to start first names It was difficult to start The The President President President President fighting fighting Bill means means hit in Russian Russian Bill hit in to call by to call each each other other by with it U with it U U U Yeltsin In Russian Russian it does mean mean hit hit Yeltsin In it does struggling with no result U struggling with no result U Boris means means Boris The In my my country Bill means means he he gets gets hit hit have aa The President President In country Bill II have doctor who says that people should eat lobsters grapes and pears doctor who says that people should eat lobsters grapes and pears all at the same time every day in order to live a long time all at the same time every day in order to live a long time Secretary you eat that food will Secretary Bentsen Bentsen says says no no that that if if you eat that food it it will just seem like you'll live a long time U just seem like you'll live a long time U President was born born in a poor poor peasant peasant family family We We had had President Yeltsin Yeltsin II was in a aa lot of suffering and hardships But we had a grandfather who lot of suffering and hardships But we had a grandfather who lived a pear pear meant meant and never saw one lived to to 96 96 He He never never knew knew what what a and never saw one He never went to a hospital not once And when he died the He never went to a hospital not once And when he died the pathologist body was was in in fine He pathologist opened opened him him up up and and his his body fine condition condition He just died of old age All those organs ran out of life He was just died of old age All those organs ran out of life He was aa great and a a fist U great grandfather grandfather with with aa heart heart and fist U Ambassador Boris Nikolayevich Nikolayevich have have you you heard heard about about the the Ambassador Lukin Lukin Boris time when they opened a dead man up and afterward the certificate time when they opened a dead man up and afterward the certificate said up of of the the body body U said Death Death followed followed after after the the opening opening up U President Now President Yeltsin Yeltsin Now country is growing up country is growing up you can can see that our our Ambassador Ambassador to to your your you see that U U The The Secretary of The President President The Secretary of never never raises raises his his voice voice So So the the -s-ECRE t' • bcrt t State State other other is always always very very calm calm He He is night at banquet the the night at aa banquet SEGRE -r 'OO r cF SBCRE'f EGRB¥- speaker speaker looked looked and and yes yes he's he's President President Secretary Secretary at at him him and and said said alive U alive U Yeltsin Yeltsin of of State State he is is eloquent eloquent a a statesman statesman he would say say that that compared compared to to another another II would he is mute U he is mute U CNN CNN two two hours hours ago ago reported reported that that the the Bosnian Bosnian Serbs Serbs did did not not accept accept the Vance-Owen plan Despite the fact that Churkin worked the Vance-Owen plan Despite the fact that Churkin worked very very hard hard on on this this they they voted voted against against it it So So we we need need to to talk talk about about this we do this What What should should we do It It is is impossible impossible to to lift lift the the arms arms embargo for Bosnia We need to find political measures embargo for Bosnia We need to find political measures and and aa high-level meeting to stop the bloodshed We could send high-level meeting to stop the bloodshed We could send Kozyrev Kozyrev Kozyrev Kozyrev suggested suggested that that the the UN UN Security Security Council Council should should meet meet with with Foreign participating and Foreign Ministers Ministers participating and invite invite the the Bosnian Bosnian Serbs Serbs 7 Secretary Your Foreign Foreign Minister Minister and and II Secretary Christopher Christopher Your this at some length today I would su gest that this at some length today I would suggest that he he it plan p it tonight tonight to to reach reach aa common common plan Sj President President Yeltsin Yeltsin Certainly Certainly Secretary We Secretary Christopher Christopher We and I have found him to be and I have found him to be problem but we must try problem but we must try You should should do do it it You talked about about talked and I discuss and I discuss U U have talked talked about about this this for for some some months months have aa qood jOOd companion It is an impossible companion It is an impossible $ President agree We We must must support support Kozyrev Kozyrev But But if if he he President Yeltsin Yeltsin II agree fails in Bosnia and Serbia things will be bad You should not fails in Bosnia and Serbia things will be bad You should not shift shift responsibility responsibility to to the the Presidents Presidents You You should should act act with with Kozyrev J1 Kozyrev The The UK UK France France and and Canada Canada were were against against lifting lifting The President President The the arms embargo because they had soldiers there But the arms embargo because they had soldiers there But II feel feel very badly because because the very badly the Serbs Serbs in in Bosnia Bosnia had had access access to to weapons weapons from from the the old old Yugoslav Yugoslav army army But But these these arms arms weren't weren't given given to to the the Bosnian Bosnian moslems moslems We We told told them them to to sign sign Vance-Owen Vance-Owen All All they they did did was to lose more ground and people So even though it might was to lose more ground and people So even though it might make make the the situation situation more more violent violent sometimes sometimes II think think we we should should have have let them fight for themselves let them fight for themselves President There is is too too much much bloodshed bloodshed We We need need another another President Yeltsin Yeltsin There political attempt If we send Kozyrev and you send your highpolitical attempt If we send Kozyrev and you send your highlevel level representative representative we we could could invite invite the the UN UN too too to to try try for for aa political settlement The arms in that area could make for political settlement The arms in that area could make for thousands thousands of of deaths deaths especially especially if if you you know know the the Moslems Moslems J i 1' The The President President They kill kill each each other other at at abandon abandon They J S-7 President Today II agreed agreed with with the the President President about about President Yeltsin Yeltsin Today Georgia and I give my word that I will meet Mr Shevardnadze Georgia and I give my word that I will meet Mr Shevardnadze The but we The discussions discussions will will be be difficult difficult but we have have to to start start somewhere We must star _B rsonally -him and promised somewhere We must start personally -- him and me me II promised you and I will do it 9' you and I will do it The The President President U U 8ECREl lf'9 -6EGm¥- Anything Anything else else When we begin begin in When do do we in the the morning morning Q crDi LCiM C uce --aECRE'f -seeRET0 L President President Yeltsin Yeltsin sharp sharp It's It's at at the the The The President President Tomorrow you you are are the the guest guest at at 10 45 a m Tomorrow 10 45 a m Pan Pacific Hotel U Pan Pacific Hotel U Thank you you Thank U U President We will will continue continue the the negotiations negotiations until until the the President Yeltsin Yeltsin We press conference U press conference U SECRE' P o nn