on ML SE€RE' P ceRE¥- 2226 THE THE WHITE WHITE HOUSE HOUSE WASHINGTON MEMORANDUM MEMORANDUM OF OF CONVERSATION CONVERSATION SUBJECT SUBJECT Meeting Meeting with with Russian Russian President President Boris Boris Yeltsin Yeltsin on Security Issues U on Security Issues U PARTICIPANTS PARTICIPANTS The The President President Warren Warren Christopher Christopher Secretary Secretary of of State State Lloyd Bentsen Secretary of the Lloyd Bentsen Secretary of the Treasury Treasury George George Stephanopolous Stephanopolous Assistant Assistant to to the the President and Director of Communications President and Director of Communications Strobe Strobe Talbott Talbott Ambassador-at-Large Ambassador-at-Large and and Special Advisor Special Advisor to to the the Secretary Secretary of of State State Anthony Anthony Lake Lake Advisor Advisor to to the the President President for for National Security National Security Affairs Affairs Thomas Thomas Pickering Pickering Ambassador-designate Ambassador-designate to to Russia Russia Toby Toby T T Gati Gati Assistant Assistant to to the the President President for for National Security Affairs National Security Affairs Daniel Daniel Poneman Poneman Senior Senior Director Director for for Nonproliferation NSC Nonproliferation NSC Staff Staff Notetaker Notetaker Rose Rose Gottemoeller Gottemoeller Director Director for for Russian Russian Ukrainian and Eurasian Affairs NSC Staff Ukrainian and Eurasian Affairs NSC Staff Notetaker Notetaker Boris Boris Yeltsin Yeltsin President President Boris Boris Fedorov Fedorov Finance Finance Minister Minister Andrei Andrei Kozyrev Kozyrev Foreign Foreign Minister Minister Alexander Alexander Shokhin Shokhin Deputy Deputy Prime Prime Minister Minister Dmitri Ryurikov Assistant Dmitri Ryurikov Assistant to to the the President President Georgy Georgy Mamedov Mamedov Deputy Deputy Foreign Foreign Minister Minister Viktor Viktor Mikhailov Mikhailov Minister Minister for for Atomic Atomic Energy Energy Vladimir Lukin Russian Ambassador Vladimir Lukin Russian Ambassador to to the the US US Vyacheslov Kostikov Press Secretary Vyacheslov Kostikov Press Secretary DATE TIME DATE TIME AND AND PLACE PLACE April p m April 4 4 1993 1993 10 00 10 00 a m a m to to 1 00 1 00 p m Pan Pacific Hotel Vancouver Canada Pan Pacific Hotel Vancouver Canada President Yesterday your your representatives representatives from from Congress Congress President Yeltsin Yeltsin Yesterday Messrs Michels and Gephardt left for Russia where they Messrs Michels and Gephardt left for Russia where they will will meet meet with with our our parliamentarians parliamentarians in in the the Supreme Supreme Soviet Soviet II would would like like to to give give them them some some advice advice Minister Minister of of Foreign Foreign Affairs Affairs Kozyrev will work with them and will advise them Kozyrev will work with them and will advise them on on what what to to say say in the Supreme Soviet with regard to my position If that's in the Supreme Soviet with regard to my position If that's all all right µr right with with you you Press photo-op Press corps corps comes comes in in for for photo-op President President Yeltsin Yeltsin journalistic storm journalistic storm -S-EC--RE-T -SEGBE-T Declassify on comment at at flashing flashing cameras cameras comment U U OADR OC 'uTx Some kind of DECLASSIFIED DECLASSIFIED PER E O 13526 PER E 0 13526 ' l o 5-01S -M·'J '-5 '1 0 C'5 3 l'J 7'018 1 8 1 3 iywiS K8t1 I -SEGREl EGRET 2 -SBeger- President wanted to to address address President Yeltsin Yeltsin The The second second question question II wanted Were we able to reach the HEU Agreement Turning to Minister Were we able to reach the HEU Agreement Turning to Minister Mikhailov Was it agreed U Mikhailov Was it agreed U Minister No Boris Boris Nikolaevich Nikolaevich did talk talk with with Minister Mikhailov Mikhailov No II did Ms Lynn Davis the Under Secretary for Security Issues Ms Lynn Davis the Under Secretary for Security Issues There There is resolve is aa very very specific specific issue issue we we need need to to resolve President We can wait if you will will solve solve it it in in one one President Yeltsin Yeltsin We can wait if you Turning to President Clinton Let's get them together in Turning to President Clinton Let's get them together in week jr week week week one one The tells me me that that we we have have at at The President President Secretary Secretary Christopher Christopher tells least agreed to a set of principles to guide the discussion The least agreed to a set of principles to guide the discussion The agreement will be helpful to us in working out relations with agreement will be helpful to us in working out relations with Ukraine me We We will will work work hard hard on Ukraine It It is is aa high high priority priority for for me on it it during the next week Russian photographers ask the two during the next week Russian photographers ask the two presidents hands for yS1' presidents to to shake shake hands hands They They shake shake hands for cameras cameras The The on on President President There There Jackson-Yanik Jackson-Vanik and and President President Yeltsin Yeltsin are two things things II wanted wanted to to come back to to you you are two come back COCOM µn COCOM And GATT GATT And µ31 The We are working with with you you on on GATT GATT On On The President President We are in in favor favor of of working Jackson-Yanik back and work with with the the Jackson- Vanik and and COCOM COCOM we we will will go go back and work leaders of both houses of Congress to review all the restrictions leaders of both houses of Congress to review all the restrictions that issue is there any more that grew grew out out of of the the Cold Cold War War The The issue is are are there any more refuseniks waiting to leave Russia I'm told there are a couple refuseniks waiting to leave Russia I'm told there are a couple of of hundred hundred left left if if you you could could check check J fr' President have any data myself myself If you you do do President Yeltsin Yeltsin II don't don't have any data If give me their names and I will look into the cases The policy give me their names and I will look into the cases The policy is not a real problem We will solve it I understand the is not a real problem We will solve it I understand the problem to the the Indian Indian Space problem on on the the sale sale of of rocket rocket engines engines to Space Research Organization We discussed it last night We cannot go Research Organization We discussed it last night We cannot go back completely on the deal signed by the former U S S R We are back completely on the deal signed by the former U S S R We are reliable Perhaps the the most most we we can do reliable people people so so we we cannot cannot renege renege Perhaps can do would be to deliver the engines without delivering the would be to deliver the engines without delivering the technology that basis basis maybe maybe technology If If we we can can work work out out aa compromise compromise on on that your Congress will be satisfied In return if you will look your Congress will be satisfied In return if you will look at at our agreement on our space space launch launch services services in in particular particular an an agreement on space space launch launch we we will will be be satisfied satisfied The night that that we we are are interested interested in in The President President II explained explained last last night working on the Europeans to afford you a separate segment of the working on the Europeans to afford you a separate segment of the market hurting our market We We will will market that that would would help help you you without without hurting our market be back to you soon on that be back to you soon on that President Turning to to weapon weapon exports exports II suggest suggest that that we we President Yeltsin Yeltsin Turning agree that firms should be able to compete directly on market agree that firms should be able to compete directly on market terms who wins wins We We are not terms with with quality quality and and price price determining determining who are not selling to certain nations like Cuba Iraq Yugoslavia and in a a selling to certain nations like Cuba Iraq Yugoslavia and in limited planes to to limited sense sense Taiwan Taiwan But But we we are are selling selling fighter fighter planes China I say let firms compete to gain access to markets Only China I say let firms compete to gain access to markets Only not on forbidden items like nuclear weapons and their delivery not on forbidden items like nuclear weapons and their delivery 1 - --SECRE SECRET SE6REI -SECRET -SE6RET -SEeREf 3 - SECRE'P- vehicles of vehicles In In June June 1993 1993 our our Ministers Ministers of they can come up with a more definitive they can come up with a more definitive Defense will will meet meet Defense stand Z stand Maybe Maybe The In the the countries you listed listed you you did did not not list list The President President In countries you Iran Your Minister of Foreign Affairs said you were not going Iran Your Minister of Foreign Affairs said you were not going to sell heavy water reactors to Iran which we appreciate But to sell heavy water reactors to Iran which we appreciate But Iran continues to promote terrorism so we are concerned about Iran continues to promote terrorism so we are concerned about arms warfare agents I'm arms sales sales and and nuclear nuclear sales sales On On chemical chemical warfare agents I'm frankly concerned that those regimes who don't respect human frankly concerned that those regimes who don't respect human life life will will use use them them 9ri President will ensure ensure that that we we either either President Yeltsin Yeltsin On On Iran Iran II will completely forbid or limit sales to small arms That's completely forbid or limit sales to small arms That's aa possibility weapons is is completely possibility The The export export of of chemical chemical weapons completely forbidden to any state We are only working on forbidden to any state We are only working on destruction destruction and and doing it with you These are weapons to destroy not to export doing it with you These are weapons to destroy not to export All their destruction s- All our our strength strength is is being being spent spent on on their destruction The The President President Are there there other comments Chris Chris Are other comments Secretary Secretary Christopher Christopher No No U U U U President Further defense conversion is is difficult difficult and and President Yeltsin Yeltsin Further defense conversion needs a political impulse from your side There is an needs a political impulse from your side There an intragovernrnental to give give an impulse to to it intragovernmental committee committee We We have have to an impulse it so so that it will really work It works badly now B1 that it will really work It works badly now The The President President forthcoming forthcoming You want want me me to to urge urge our our people people to to be be more more You want conversion to work work better better and and to to come come President President Yeltsin Yeltsin II want conversion to to decision faster The Committee hasn't even had its first to decision faster The Committee hasn't even had its first meeting meeting Member Member in in May May of that Committee will meet meet of his his delegation delegation remonstrates remonstrates that Committee will for a special Commission yS-1 for a special Commission Probably but yours yours must must be be guilty Probably our our bureaucrats bureaucrats are are guilty guilty but guilty too If they only meet for a special Commission they will never never too If they only meet for a special Commission they will get anything done y9 f get anything done The The President President We will will do what we we can can to to accelerate accelerate the the process process We do what President Now on training for for aa market market economy economy President Yeltsin Yeltsin Now on training II like Mulroney's idea of a Yeltsin Scholarship under which like Mulroney's idea of a Yeltsin Scholarship under which 50 50 people year people will will come come to to Canada Canada to to study study every every year II said said 150 000 150 000 firms need aa million million % firms have have been been privatized privatized but but we we need The The President President U U So you want want to to have have people people coming corning from from Russia Russia So you President President Yeltsin Yeltsin Yes once they have have learned learned English English Yes once they U U The We are ready to to fund sizeable number number but but will will The President President We are ready fund aa sizeable look U look to to you you on on how how to to do do it it U SECRET SEGRE -SEGREt SE GRE r SEGREP 1 CREI' ’•SECRET' 4 President President Yeltsin Yeltsin universities universities U U The The President President more more U U About 200 200 people people per per year year at at two two or or three three About We can as many many but but it it is is ok ok if if we we do do We can do do at at least least as President President Yeltsin Yeltsin Great Great --do as they do in Canada do as they do in Canada and and The The President President With their their families With families President President Yeltsin Yeltsin The The President President as in Canada Canada as in but they they should should be be able able to to but their spouse U their spouse U U U With one member With one family family member U U Would program to to be be set up the the same Would you you like like the the program set up same U U President President Yeltsin Yeltsin The The President President 200 more more 200 come with come with Yes but but higher higher numbers numbers Yes Good we would would like to do do it it Good we like to U U U U President Very good good because because this this will will deal deal with with our our President Yeltsin Yeltsin Very lack of education Now let's talk about private investment lack of education Now let's talk about private investment II want to talk about insurance German firms will insure want to talk about insurance German firms will insure investments will not not because because of the investments in in Russia Russia but but U S U S firms firms will of the political risk If we could get one or two firms to take on political risk If we could get one or two firms to take on such responsibility it would be an advance for private such responsibility it would be an advance for private investment investment in in Russia Russia The The President President three three J1 President President firm firm We We have have many many How do such two or How many many German German firms firms do such insurance insurance two or Yeltsin the Yeltsin One One the would like to have would like to have more fr more firm firm more more Hermes But But it it is is a a big big Hermes American firms involved You American firms involved You The We have have given given considerable thought to to what what we we can can The President President We considerable thought do to guarantee investment Mark Weiner the manager of do to guarantee investment Mark Weiner the manager of McDonald's me to to say how we we could McDonald's in in Moscow Moscow recently recently wrote wrote me say how could protect the invest ts of small firms We'll look to see protect the investm ts of small firms We'll look at at it it to see what we can do Y what we can do Mr We would would like to create a risk risk insurance insurance institute institute Mr Fedorov Fedorov We like to create a to consider the question of insuring political risk But maybe to consider the question of insuring political risk But maybe an international agency is needed We can look at this an international agency is needed We can look at this question J1' question later later President have five pages of of material material outlining outlining President Yeltsin Yeltsin II have five pages restraints on Russia and COCOM and U S restraints the restraints on Russia and COCOM and U S restraints Hands Hands the President a paper There is also a very interesting program President a paper There is also a very interesting program involving Nineteen American American firms involving the the Ilyushin-96 Ilyushin-96 aircraft aircraft Nineteen firms are are working on it However once again many elements are covered by working on it However once again many elements are covered by COCOM restraints and therefore we cannot build that aircraft COCOM restraints and therefore we cannot build that aircraft II also British Columbia that is also met met this this morning morning with with aa firm firm from from British Columbia that is using our helicopters They want to buy them but cannot because using our helicopters They want to buy them but cannot because of on the the U S U S of COCOM COCOM restraints restraints There There is is aa mass mass of of questions questions on SECRE'F SECRET- SE6RE r SEGRE 5ECRET -- -SEC-RET- 5 Russia to invest wanting to toward firms policy toward e on 0 side on fair fair policy firms wanting invest in in Russia absence aa my absence in my compile in to compile senators to the senators asked the President II asked The President The your have your War Cold War the Cold of the out of growing out restraints growing of all list list of all restraints II have list list now now We'll We'll work work on on it it next next week week and and try try to to figure figure out out which which modify or repeal can we we can repeal or modify President President Germatiy Germany and France and UK France the UK with the working with also working are also We are Yeltsin Yeltsin We U Bill partners and friends are we But But we are friends and partners Bill U America all America sic all 24th sic the 24th on the win on you win when you And when President And The The President know will will know SO 0 space on space project on a project discuss a to discuss like to I'd like Yeltsin I'd President Yeltsin President It telecommunications and transportation management management transportation and telecommunications It involves involves computers telecommunications airplanes transport rail rail transport airplanes telecommunications computers and and the the want we but interested is Japan hear We industry aerospace aerospace industry We hear Japan is interested but we want to to powerful experience most powerful have the U S We the U S deal deal with with the We have the most experience in in space space put need to We need you on and and you on land land in in developing developing infrastructure infrastructure We to put powerful a have will we and together advantages two these these two advantages together and we will have a powerful realistic for very realistic this is but this Not in cooperation cooperation Not in autos autos but is very for $ satellites satellites put to put like to would like We would idea We interesting idea an interesting It's an President It's The President The have I track fast very a on together issues space space and and energy energy issues together on a very fast track I have my named named my Vice Vice President President Albert Albert Gore Gore to to work work with with you you You You move to need we agree fully I mentioned mentioned Chernomyr9 1 n Chernomyi n I fully agree we need to move forward forward on on $ 8' projects space space projects his knows his He knows Chernomyrdin He you Chernomyrdin to you commend to Yeltsin II commend President Yeltsin President ratified been not been ratified have not that have Now concerning stuff stuff Now concerning agreements agreements that the by the ratified was It agreement taxation double the like like the double taxation agreement It was ratified by As Deputies People's Deputies As the Congress by the not by but not Supreme Supreme Soviet Soviet but Congress of of People's project longer-term a is it but ratify it will ratify we will for for START-II START-II we it but it is a longer-term project we testing nuclear On On nuclear testing we must must decide decide how how to to work work together together further further We We want want to to stop stop all all testing testing We We only only have have the the Novaya Novaya Zemlya Zemlya test test site site now now and and it it will will require require aa big big investment investment Weather Weather below zero conditions conditions are are very very severe severe there there 50 50 degrees degrees below zero which underground huge a build to have We celsius Celsius We have to build a huge underground facility facility which build to prepare even we should Why expensive very be will will be very expensive Why should we even prepare to build it it testing to stop will agree you will if if you agree to stop testing $ 21 motion in motion set in we'll set that we'll agree that we agree don't we Why don't President Why The President The possible earliest the at negotiations ban test comprehensive comprehensive test ban negotiations at the earliest possible time time You You and and II will will agree agree about about how how to to set set them them in in motion motion $J negotiation multilateral a through through a multilateral negotiation President President a 9and China China has already Yes France Yeltsin Yes France has already agreed agreed Yeltsin potential nuclear want don't We left are are left We don't want nuclear potential f President The President The it do it Let's do Let's President President Yeltsin Yeltsin SECRET - EGRET- U U it do it Yes let's Yes let's do U U 8E6RE r BEGRET UK the UK Only Only the spread to to spread -SECRE'f -SBCKBr -SE6RET -SEGRET 6 The Let's agree agree to to The President President Let's going and you and I will work going and you and I will work get the the multilateral multilateral get with the with the Chinese Chinese and and negotiations negotiations the the British British President The moratorium moratorium will will end end July July 1 so we we have have to to President Yeltsin Yeltsin The 1 so hurry Shall we extend the moratorium to January 1 1994 hurry Shall we extend the moratorium to January 1 1994 Quickly Now what Quickly without without waiting waiting for for answer answer Now what shall shall we we do do about Ukraine 81 about Ukraine The The President President We We keep keep working working on on Ukraine Ukraine to to ratify ratify START START That's one reason why we want the HEU agreement That' s one reason why we want the HEU agreement as as leverage leverage over over Ukraine y51 Ukraine President Let's talk talk about about the the destruction destruction of of nuclear nuclear President Yeltsin Yeltsin Let's weapons We are working to destroy our heavy missiles weapons We are working to destroy our heavy missiles As As for for warheads we de royed 3 000 in February sic To Mikhailov warheads we dei royed 3 000 in February sic To Mikhailov Isn't Isn't it it so so fa' Minister Minister Mikhailov Mikhailov Right Right U U President He Mikhailov Mikhailov is is Director Director of of one one of of the the President Yeltsin Yeltsin He biggest plants involved in nuclear destruction On the biggest plants involved in nuclear destruction On the biological weapons biological weapons problem problem we we shut shut all all the the doors doors and and the the personnel were dispersed to other institutions We personnel were dispersed to other institutions We have have some some researchers working on research and development for peaceful researchers working on research and development for peaceful purposes openly purposes openly Please Please come come and and look look whenever whenever you you want want without invitations We accept your committee any without invitations We accept your committee any time time and and in in any town You can inspect There is no longer any sin on any town You can inspect There is no longer any sin on our our soul Going soul Going through through notes notes We We discussed discussed yesterday yesterday the the formati n of a permanent group to discuss strategic formation of a permanent group to discuss strategic questions questions in in verification verification submarines submarines and and military military issues issues Turning Turning to to GPS GPS we we notice been reviewing back on notice you've you've been reviewing SDI SDI and and have have cut cut back on it it in in the the budget What about the GPS7 We have begun to develop an budget What about the GPS We have begun to develop an understanding about practical links understanding about it it but but do do not not see see how how practical links between between our firms and research and development institutions will our firms and research and development institutions will develop develop We We need need to to think think about about how how we we will will move move forward forward We We have have to to get get together If we do we will build a system against an unexpected together If we do we will build a system against an unexpected nuclear nuclear aggressor aggressor --- Iraq Iraq or or anyone anyone else else --- that that is is two two times times cheaper than it otherwise would have been 21 cheaper than it otherwise would have been j S On On nuclear nuclear targeting targeting II wanted wanted to to tell tell you you that that we've we've removed removed the the targeting cards from the missiles that are scheduled to be targeting cards from the missiles that are scheduled to be eliminated eliminated When When an an aggressor aggressor appears appears we we will will restore restore the the targeting data This is a serious big question targeting data This is a serious -- big question J 81 A A senior senior level level person person Mamedov Mamedov is is in in charge charge of of an an interagency interagency group on this We are working for a U S proposal group on this We are working for a U S proposal We We understand the plans II believe believe we understand the U S U S is is reviewing reviewing old old plans we need need to to move toward specific scientific and technical projects beyond move toward specific scientific and technical projects beyond the e s f the political political level level The I'd like like to to make make a a suggestion suggestion Independent of of The President President I'd Independent this meeting I had asked for a review of the ABM Treaty issues this meeting I had asked for a review of the ABM Treaty issues That back to That review review is is almost almost done done II would would like like to to come come back to you you after we have completed that review It will not be a long after we have completed that review It will not be a long time time '-81 -SECRET -geeiRET- SEGRE Y SCCRCT -6E6REi-7 ECRET Sn CK£j'i' President Very well well Mr Mr President President I'd like like to to move move President Yeltsin Yeltsin Very I'd to bilateral agreement to monitor the oceans to track to a bilateral agreement to monitor the oceans to track submarines a monopoly monopoly so together we we can submarines Our Our two two nations nations have have a so together can learn time J S learn where where all all the the subs subs are are at at one one time The The President President We will will consider that We consider that U U President I'd like like to to discuss taking nuclear nuclear systems systems President Yeltsin Yeltsin I'd discuss taking out of readiness status early If we can agree on a not out of readiness status early If we can agree on a not combat-ready then all the world world will will combat-ready status status for for those those systems systems then all the know that they are very tightly under mutual control We could know that they are very tightly under mutual control We could also warheads off and perhaps perhaps we we also give give thought thought to to taking taking multiple multiple warheads off and could sell them to you as uranium or plutonium '2 could sell them to you as uranium or plutonium The Do you you have have The President President Do to assign people to work to assign people to work on on a specific proposal or or do do you you want want a specific proposal this J 81 this President want to to put put together together a a working working group group to to President Yeltsin Yeltsin II want figure out what to do In the year 2003 note the end of the figure out what to do In the year 2003 note the end of the START-II reduction period I won't be President anymore START-II reduction period I won't be President anymore II want want to to achieve achieve this this during during my my presidency presidency The a third third term term so want to to The President President II can't can't serve serve for for a so II want speed up too You've raised a number of issues that require a speed up too You've raised a number of issues that require a specific and careful response We'll review the issues and get specific and careful response We'll review the issues and get back proposal and we will will respond respond back to to you you This This is is aa significant significant proposal and we to you Now I would like to respond to you on foreign policy to you Now I would like to respond to you on foreign policy issues First thank thank you you for your issues and and discuss discuss the the G-7 G-7 meeting meeting First for your cooperation on re-starting the peace negotiations in the Middle cooperation on re-starting the peace negotiations in the Middle East work to to get the Palestinians Palestinians East II hope hope you you will will continue continue to to work get the to to come come to to the the table table President President Yeltsin Yeltsin We will will support you on on that that line line We support you 0 The would like like to to get your support support for for a a firm firm The President President II would get your position enforcing UN resolutions on Iraq and Libya S 1 position enforcing UN resolutions on Iraq and Libya President We have have no no real real influence influence on on Iraq Iraq It is is President Yeltsin Yeltsin We It true they owe us $2 5 billion They say to us if we stop true they owe us $2 5 billion They say to us if we stop supporting us $4 billion So this is supporting the the U S U S they they will will give give us $4 billion So this is aa cheap policy for us We will not be selling weapons to them cheap policy for us We will not be selling weapons to them nor S £1 nor any any spare spare parts parts The We've received received reports reports of of new new military military activities activities The President President We've by the Armenians I'd like to be able to say that in the next by the Armenians I'd like to be able to say that in the next couple of d we will work closely together to moderate the couple of days we will work closely together to moderate the fighting fighting i o President We know know about the above above situation situation We We have have President Yeltsin Yeltsin We about the been talking to Elchibey I am most concerned that there would been talking to Elchibey I am most concerned that there would be Armenia would would be an an escalation escalation if if we we insert insert ourselves ourselves and and somehow somehow Armenia take heart from that J itf take heart from that We We have have been been Elchibey Elchibey has has thinking to take take thinking about about what what kind kind of of action action to aa very difficult personal political situation very difficult personal political situation I I SECRET -SECRET -8EGREI XJ -SEGREf 8 8 Azerbaijan military position position now now Armenia Armenia Azerbaijan has has always always had had aa better better military has it This is Elchibey's political downfall We have been in has it This is Elchibey's political downfall We have been in close contact with Azerbaijan rather than Armenia because for us close contact with Azerbaijan rather than Armenia because for us Azerbaijan if it develops ties with Iran is more dangerous than Azerbaijan if it develops ties with Iran is more dangerous than Armenia will think think Armenia If If you you don't don't demand demand an an immediate immediate answer answer II will about this for a few days about this for a few days The The final thing I'd I'd like like to to talk talk about about in in front front The President President The final thing of our advisors I have appreciated your candid review of the of our advisors I have appreciated your candid review of the situation in the republics especially your willingness to talk situation in the republics especially your willingness to talk about solutions with Shevardnadze in Georgia One more subject about solutions with Shevardnadze in Georgia One more subject we military activity in we are are quite quite concerned concerned about about the the recent recent military activity in North Korea Do you believe that the younger Kim is having North Korea Do you believe that the younger Kim is having any any influence thing is their threat threat to to influence here here The The most most problematic problematic thing is their withdraw from the IAEA If they withdraw it will be very withdraw from the IAEA If they withdraw it will be very difficult Ji difficult President first about about the the nuclear nuclear President Yeltsin Yeltsin I'll I'll say say something something first situation We have stopped all deliveries to all nuclear plants situation We have stopped all deliveries to all nuclear plants and cut economic relations Perhaps you have noticed that have and cut economic relations Perhaps you have noticed that II have links to South Korea not North Korea Jn links to South Korea not North Korea The The President President II did did U U President That shows you how how seriously seriously II take take the the President Yeltsin Yeltsin That shows you situation We share your concern but have not had current situation We share your concern but have not had current contact the only only way way is contact with with the the North North Koreans Koreans II suggest suggest the is economic pressure on them But we have no contacts no economic pressure on them But we have no contacts no delegations do not not think think this this is the delegations going going back back and and forth forth II do is the existing influence of Kim Chang Il but just the beginning of the existing influence of Kim Chang II but just the beginning of the Communist agony and North Korea may make terrible blunders Communist agony and North Korea may make terrible blunders When more significant When II was was in in South South Korea Korea we we talked talked about about more significant cooperation We are also concerned fr' cooperation We are also concerned The Just one more question about the the Middle Middle East East The President President Just one more question about We have invested quite a lot in trying to get the peace talks We have invested quite a lot in trying to get the peace talks back to discuss where you you are back on on track track I'd I'd like like to to ask ask you you to discuss where are and and how to agree to aa date how you you can can influence influence the the Palestinians Palestinians to agree to date 0 President We have have cut back our our contacts contacts with with the the President Yeltsin Yeltsin We cut back Palestinians That was during the Soviet period -the Palestinians That was during the Soviet period -- the Central Central Committee we have have no no contacts Committee maintained maintained contacts contacts Now Now we contacts delegations the Syrians trying to to delegations or or anything anything Although Although the Syrians are are trying deal with the details of the political situation it is such a deal with the details of the political situation it is such a difficult thing to do Our cooperation with the Syrians is cut difficult thing to dp Our cooperation with the Syrians is cut way fl1' way back back That's That's our our position position Now owes us us a a lot lot and and so so we we need need Now with with regard regard to to debt debt Syria Syria owes $120 billion We would like to sell the debt but we cannot do $120 billion We would like to sell the debt but we cannot do so because of sanctions against Cuba Shokhin jokes that maybe so because of sanctions against Cuba Shokhin jokes that maybe you you can can buy buy the the Cuban Cuban debt debt -'2'J The You know know we we have have a a big big The President President One One final final question question You dispute -Libya They are harboring two people who had a big big dispute -- Libya They are harboring two people who had a role in destruction of the Pan Am 103 flight We have had mixed role in destruction of the Pan Am 103 flight We have had mixed signals times they they signals Sometimes Sometimes they they like like to to cooperate cooperate --- other other times SECRE'f SECRET- 8E6RE r SEeREt SEGREf 6ECRET -SECRE'I' SECKi jT 9 say whole say no no the the answer answer is is that that Khaddafi's Khaddafi's whole if those two people were let out Khaddafi if those two people were let out Khaddafi the the trial trial of of these these two two people people President President Yeltsin Yeltsin Our Our no no cooperation cooperation now now If If not $ not oppose oppose them them position position you you want want government would fall government would fall will not even discuss will not even discuss regarding this is that that there there is is regarding this is strengthened we will will strengthened sanctions sanctions we We this summit We have have discussed discussed 52 52 questions questions during during this summit The The President President We should get some credit for for that that We should get some credit President President Yeltsin Yeltsin Jfa1 We will will raise raise it it at at the the press press conference conference We The We would would like to talk talk about about the the G-7 G-7 process process and and The President President We like to before we close we would like to discuss anything you might before we close we would like to discuss anything you might need to summarize what we we are need II will will ask ask Secretary Secretary Bentsen Bentsen to summarize what are doing in the G-7 context doing in the G-7 context Secretary We fully understand with with your your inflation inflation and and Secretary Bentsen Bentsen We fully understand budget concerns that you need early action on assistance The budget concerns that you need early action on assistance The President will President has has directed directed us us --- and and Secretary Secretary Christopher Christopher and and II will be attending the G-7 meeting -to try to set up a new facility be attending the G-7 meeting -- to try to set up a new facility for economic program program yet yet in for countries countries that that don't don't have have aa full full economic in place like Russia By creating this new facility we hope to to place like Russia By creating this new facility we hope release $500 million almost immediately Once the economic release $500 million almost immediately Once the economic program billion more more program is is in in place place then then we we would would envision envision several several billion this year But you need to put your central bank in order It this year But you need to put your central bank in order It is an absolute imperative that you get control of your currency is an absolute imperative that you get control of your currency The the year year once once the the economic The G-7 G-7 can can implement implement by by the the end end of of the economic stabilization program is put in place We are going to encourage stabilization program is put in place We are going to encourage the in agriculture the World World Bank Bank to to expand expand its its activities activities in agriculture and and energy their own own economic problems energy Many Many countries countries are are having having their economic problems but they want to help But all of this is predicated your but they want to help But all of this is predicated on on your getting control of the central bank ySi getting control of the central bank President the central central bank bank is is a a member member President Yeltsin Yeltsin The The chairman chairman of of the of the government and without government authorization the of the government and without government authorization the central Fedorov and the government central bank bank will will not not issue issue currency currency Fedorov and the government are working hard to get the bank under control But this is not are working hard to get the bank under control But this is not simple we h to work together with the Congress of People's simple we hav to work together with the Congress of People's Deputies YJ Deputies S Secretary Secretary Bentsen Bentsen µ' Y President-Yeltsin We hope hope you you have have aa big big win win in in the the referendum referendum We Yes true true true true President - Yeltsin Yes we have to work together 91 we have to work together The The President President This is is collective collective work work --This Anything else from any any member member on on your your side side U U Anything else from President Yo _ hould consider my my words words the the product product of of President Yeltsin Yeltsin You should consider collective thought µr collective thought SECRET tECRET -SEGRE FT SEGREl SECRET 10 -see ET 4 Minister We have have created a Space Space and and Energy Energy Commission Commission Minister Fedorov Fedorov We created a yesterday Will we be creating others The Conversion yesterday Will we be creating others The Conversion Committee Committee we we discussed discussed r' The The President President Absolutely we we just just have have to to get get that that one one moving moving Absolutely Minister would like like to to add add something something We We have have not not Minister Mikhailov Mikhailov II would found a compromise on uranium and low-enriched uranium We are found a compromise on uranium and low-enriched uranium We are losing U S market market and today we we losing $200 $200 million million per per year year in in the the U S and today have not reached an agreement That is very important to us We have not reached an agreement That is very important to us We dream of free competition especially with high value-added dream of free competition especially with high value-added products markets It important for products and and technologies technologies in in U S U S markets It is is important for us and for your industry That would make it possible you to to us and for your industry That would make it possible for for you make use of Russian high technology I would like to say that we make use of Russian high technology I would like to say that we very work That is that very much much support support the the supercollider supercollider work That is something something that will put our scientists and technical specialists to work Last will put our scientists and technical specialists to work Last of joint project project to to put put together together of all all II would would like like to to mention mention our our joint the reactor of the future We are working on it with General the reactor of the future We are working on it with General Atomics energy of Atomics aa good good firm firm to to work work on on safe safe atom-generated atom-generated energy of the future but we need your support the future but we need your support Ambassador would focus focus attention attention on on internal internal issues issues Ambassador Lukin Lukin II would symbolic things such as getting rid of the Captive Nations symbolic things such as getting rid of the Captive Nations laws we're treated treated as laws From From the the point point of of view view of of parliament parliament we're as aa communist power while China is not Our parliament notices communist power while China is not Our parliament notices it it The As II said Senator Warner Warner to to put put The President President As said II asked asked Senator aa list in the next few days I gather public statements list in the next few days I gather public statements harmful harmful to to the the cause cause rf President President Yeltsin Yeltsin together together are not are not Before April April 25 25 that that will will be be very very important important Before Minister To eliminate them all all in in three three weeks weeks would would be be Minister Kozvrev Kozyrev To eliminate them very difficult But a resolution could be passed to say that very difficult But a resolution could be passed to say that these until the the review review was was these acts acts would would be be reviewed reviewed and and suspended suspended until complete It will be important to say we are working on changing complete It will be important to say we are working on changing the by April April 25 25 Foley and the laws laws and and the the outcome outcome will will be be seen seen by Foley and others were interested others were interested President Mr President President now now the the historic historic Vancouver Vancouver President Yeltsin Yeltsin OK OK Mr declaration As President I want to officially invite you to to declaration As President I want to officially invite you make a state visit to Russia at a time convenient for you That make a state visit to Russia at a time convenient for you That time will always be convenient for us Jr time will always be convenient for us The will be be honored honored to to come come will discuss discuss it it and and The President President II will II will will come when the time is consistent with my economic struggles will come when the time is consistent with my economic struggles at helpful for you at home home and and when when it it is is appropriate appropriate and and helpful for you President II won't President Yeltsin Yeltsin won't say say it's it's and April 25 But I won't want be and April 25 But I won't want to to be president fl1' president The The President President -SECRE SECRET No danger danger of of that that No a question a question considered considered U U -S GR for between now now for between half a half a SEGREf • CRET ' 11 President Maybe we'll we'll just just have have some some quiet quiet time time for for you you President Yeltsin Yeltsin Maybe and I to discuss any questions with our delegations especially and I to discuss any questions with our delegations especially what what might might be be raised raised during during the the press press conference conference pSjT The The President President Resuming Resuming Agrees Agrees Break is called Break is called Discussion of press conference Discussion of press conference President On nuclear nuclear tests tests Time Time is is short short before before President Yeltsin Yeltsin On July 1 If you haven't figured out what to do on testing July 1 If you haven't figured out what to do on testing can't can't we we stretch stretch the the moratorium moratorium to to January January 1 1 1994 1994 fl1' The We have have to to talk talk to to the the British British The President President We their testing in the United States µrf their testing in the United States They do They do all all But let's do something practical and and stretch stretch President President Yeltsin Yeltsin But let's do something practical out the moratorium out the moratorium Sjf The The President President Another Another package package We will will have have to to say we discussed discussed this this openly openly We say we difficult get difficult question question we we will will get make make any any difference difference Will the the economic Will economic President will answer that it will make make a a President Yeltsin Yeltsin I I of of course course will answer that it will difference the Paris Paris Club difference in in this this this this and and this this area area On On the Club deal deal II will answer that we accept things as worked out in Paris 5-1 will answer that we accept things as worked out in Paris On will say to On the the Indian Indian engine engine and and technology technology deal deal II will say in in answer answer to aa question on that If we drop the Indian deal it will be·a question on that If we drop the Indian deal it will be a $240 United States positively $240 million million loss loss for for us us If If the the United States is is positively ready to broaden access to commercial space launch then we we are ready to broaden access to commercial space launch then are ready to take that loss Sf ready to take that loss The And II will will say that we we are are ready The President President And say that readyto to go go forward forward with greater cooperation in space We are ready to do we with greater cooperation in space We are ready to do so so and and we are going to work on it Now we are likely to be asked a are going to work on it Now we are likely to be asked a question will answer they question about about aid aid to to the the other other republics republics II will answer if if they broaden their reforms to the level achieved in Russia they can broaden their reforms to the level achieved in Russia they can expect expect more more aid aid President President Yeltsin Yeltsin Of course Of course U U Mr We had had better better not not use use the the word word assistance assistance Mr Kostikov Kostikov We pomoshch but support poderzhka pomoshch but support poderzhka President Yes support sovpoderzhka or or President Yeltsin Yeltsin Yes support sovpoderzhka cooperation sotrudnichestro cooperation sotrudnichestro The will say in working working with with America America The President President II will say partnership partnership in Now we will be sure to get two questions First was our summit Now we will be sure to get two questions First was our summit meeting planned to win the referendum or was the date of the meeting planned to win the referendum or was the date of the referendum in mind mind because because it would referendum chosen chosen with with the the summit summit in it would influence influence vote vote outcome outcome J S ' -SB€SE£ SEGRET -SESREf12 -SBeger• President The answer answer is is clear clear We We decided decided to to meet meet long long President Yeltsin Yeltsin The ago the Congress decided the date would be April 25 ago the Congress decided the date would be April 25 The Yes we we decided decided long long The President President Yes 100 days of my Presidency And 100 days of my Presidency And the the question question if President President doubts doubts as as ago to to ago answer answer meet during during the the first first meet to the second to the second Yeltsin The answer answer is is simple simple We We don't don't have have any any Yeltsin The to the outcome of the vote yS1' to the outcome of the vote The The President President Yes Yes We will will also also be be asked asked about about Bosnia Bosnia We President Unfortunately the the Serbs President Yeltsin Yeltsin Unfortunately Serbs Vance-Owen plan Now we must reconsider Vance-Owen plan Now we must reconsider how how corridor y corridor issue issue '2f turned down down the the turned to handle the to handle the The The Serbs have a a specific modification they they The President President The Serbs have specific modification We should say if the Serbs can come up with a proposal We should say if the Serbs can come up with a proposal for for immediate immediate negotiation negotiation then then we we will will negotiate negotiate If If not not the the will will resort resort to to its its original original position position seek seek U S U S On On Iran Iran II will will say say we we discussed discussed it it and and reached reached agreement agreement period it period President President Yeltsin Yeltsin Good Good U U The We_ ve law on on arms arms sales to Iran Iran and and you you are are The President President We ve aa law sales to within our law Jif within our law Minister Minister Fedorov Fedorov plane deal plane deal 0 The The you you Maybe you'll you'll let let us us have have the the Malaysian Malaysian fighter fighter Maybe President On the the President On and I are going and I are going to to HEU deal deal we we are are HEU make it happen make it happen haggling over over price price but but haogling fSg President It is is also also a a question question of of quota quota will President Yeltsin Yeltsin It II will answer that earlier the American side was not willing answer that earlier the American side was not willing to to discuss discuss these issues but now we have talked and the American side these issues but now we have talked and the American side is is willing willing to to get get together together and and discuss discuss all all remaining remaining questions questions with with regard regard to to the the agreement agreement And And we we gave gave an an order order ukazaniye ukazaniye that that the agreement should be reached in one week the agreement should be reached in one week Minister Minister Mikhailov Mikhailov President President Yeltsin Yeltsin is is aa woman woman of of tough tough In the the week week In U U Especially since the Especially since the character zhestkogo character zhestkogo head of of your your delegation delegation head kharaktera kharaktera SJ' 7 The Another question question we we will will get get Will Will all all these these The President President Another investments be wasted unless Yeltsin gets control of the investments be wasted unless Yeltsin gets control of the central central bank bank fr President won't give give Fedorov's Fedorov's whole whole President Yeltsin Yeltsin II won't will before We We are are working working to to will answer answer as as II said said before central bank It is time for us to start central bank It is time for us to start -- END END OF OF MEETING MEETING -- SEGREf biography but but II biography control the the control