UNCLASSIFIED Bl p RELEASED Bl l 5 B PAGE 01 SECTO ACTION NODS-00 17024 01 OF 06 T 250720Z CCOE-00 ADS-00 OOOW ------------------FD0248 0 250251Z OCT 93 ZFF4 FM USDEL SECRETARY IN UKRAINE TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 9747 INFO AMEMBASSY MOSCOW INFO 1 LOG-00 250721Z 38 CTION 01 OF 06 SECTO 17024 DECAPTIONED E O 12356 DECL OADR TAGS OVIP CHRISTOPHER WARREN PREL RU SUBJECT SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER'S MEETING WITH FOREIGN MINISTER KOZYREV NATO ELECTIONS REGIONAL ISSUES 1 - - - ENTIRE TEXT 2 SUMMARY IN THE SMALL GROUP PORTION OF THEIR OCTOBER 22 MEETING SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER BRIEFED KOZYREV ON THE NATO PARTNERSHIP FOR PEACE PROPOSAL THEY DISCUSSED ELECTION OBSERVERS AND U S SUPPORT FOR THE ELECTION PROCESS AS WELL AS THE ISSUE OF PRESS FREEDOM AND ACCESS TO THE PRESS ON GEORGIA KOZYREV SAID THE RUSSIANS WERE I TROOPS TO KEEP OPEN PAGE 02 SECTO 17024 · 01 OF 06 250720Z THE RAILROAD FROM POTI THIS COULD HELP SHEVARDNADZE AND KOZYREV AGREED TO GIVE PUBLIC SUPPORT AGAIN TO SHEVARDNADZE ON UKRAINE SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER AND AMBASSADOR TALBOTT BRIEFED KOZYREV ON OUR EFFORTS TO Bl _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ____ SECRETARY · CHRISTOPHER RAISED THE LUBAVITCHER BOOKS AND KOZYREV NOTED THE RECENT AGREEMENT TO HOUSE THEM SEPARATELY END SUMMARY Page 1 UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE REVIEW AUTHORITY FRANK TUMMINIA DATE CASE ID 11 MAR 2003 200001030 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Page 2 2 SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER MET FOREIGN MINISTER KOZYREV IN A SMALL MEETING ON OCTOBER 22 AT THE FOREIGN MINISTRY GUEST HOUSE KOZYREV WAS ACCOMPANIED BY DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER MAMEDOV AND AN INTERPRETER NOTETAKER THE SECRETARY WAS ACCOMPANIED BY AMBASSADOR-AT-LARGE TALBOTT AND AMBASSADOR PICKERING NATO NNNN PAGE 01 SECTO ACTION NODS-00 INFO - 17024 02 OF 06 250721Z CCOE-00 ADS-00 0O0W ------------------FD0270 0 250251Z 93 ZFF4 FM USDEL SEeRETARY IN UKRAINE TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 9748 INFO AMEMBASSY MOSCOW - LOG-00 250723Z 38 SECTION 02 OF 06 SECTO 17024 E O 12356 DECL OADR TAGS OVIP CHRISTOPHER WARREN PREL RU SUBJECT SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER'S MEETING WITH FOREIGN MINISTER KOZYREV NATO ELECTIONS REGIONAL ISSUES 3 OPENING THE MEETING SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER SAID HE WANTED TO REVIEW BRIEFLY WHERE WE WERE NOW IN NATO EXPANSION HE WOULD OF COURSE BE TALKING WITH PRESIDENT YELTSIN ABOUT THIS AND HE WANTED KOZYREV TO KNOW THAT WE WERE SENSITIVE TO THE RUSSIAN POSITION AND THAT WE HAD DEVELOPED A PROPOSAL THAT BALANCED VARIOUS OBJECTIVES AND INTERESTS THERE WOULD BE NO -- Page 2 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Page 3 PAGE 02 SECTO 17024 02 OF 06 250721Z IMMEDIATE PROVISION FOR NEW MEMBERSHIPS AND NO ASSOCIATE MEMBERSHIPS NO ONE WOULD BE EXCLUDED AND THE PARTNERSHIP FOR PEACE WOULD BE OPEN TO ALL THE NACC COUNTRIES EVENTUAL ALLIANCE MEMBERSHIP WOULD BE BASED ON PERFORMANCE AND OTHER FACTORS FOR NOW THE DOOR TO FUTURE MEMBERSHIP WAS OPEN TO ALL ON AN EQUAL BASIS HE BELIEVED THAT THIS MET RUSSIA'S REQUIREMENTS 4 KOZYREV ASKED POINTEDLY WHETHER THERE WOULD NOT BE TWO OR THREE NEW MEMBERS NOW SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER SAID NO THAT WE WERE EMPHASIZING A PARTNERSHIP FOR PEACE WHICH WOULD INVOLVE TRAINING AND EXERCISES IN DEALING Wiffl SECURITY QUESTIONS AND THAT fflIS PARTNERSHIP WOULD HELP DEVELOP A HABIT OF INTEROPERABILITY AND COOPERATION IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE OPEN TO ALL AND THERE WOULD BE NO PREDETERMINED NEW MEMBERS ELECTIONS 5 THE SECRETARY ASKED ABOUT THE COMING ELECTIONS NOTING THAT WE HAD UP TO USO 12 MILLION TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE TO RUSSIA AND WE WERE PREPARED TO SEND MONITORS OR OBSERVERS KOZYREV IN TURN NOTED THAT HE WOULD HOPE TO FIND A WAY TO USE U S ASSISTANCE TO BENEFIT THE ELECTORAL PROCESS HE SAID THERE WAS A STRONG DANGER OF AN EFFORT TO TRY TO POLITICIZE THE ELECTIONS PARTICULARLY IN SOME OF THE RURAL REGIONS WHERE THE OLD PRACTICES OF THE COMMUNIST REGIME PREVAILED WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE FOR fflE OBSERVERS TO PAGE 03 SECTO 17024 02 OF 06 250721Z HELP IN VERIFYING TO GUARD AGAINST SUCH ABUSES EVEN IN AREAS OF THE COUNTRY DIFFICULT TO REACH HE CALLED THIS THE OLD KOLKHOZ MENTALITY WHERE FARM ORGANIZATIONS CONTROLLED THE DIVISION OF GOODS INCLUDING HEATING FUEL IN THE WINTER AND COULD WELL TRADE THESE GOODS FOR VOTES OBSERVERS WOULD BE ESSENTIAL TO ENSURE THAT THE PEOPLE WERE PROTECTED AGAINST SUCH ABUSES AND WERE ACTUALLY VOTING WITH A FREE CHOICE SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER THEN NOTED THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASSIST IN HELPING DEAL WITH THE QUESTION OF OBSERVERS Page 3 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Page 4 6 SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER THEN LAID SPECIAL STRESS ON THE IMPORTANCE OF A FREE PRESS AS A KEY ELEMENT IN A HEALTHY DEMOCRACY NOTING CONCERN IN THE U S AND IN NNNN PAGE 01 SECTO ACTION NODS-00 - 17024 03 OF 06 250721Z CCOE-00 ADS-00 OO0W ------------------FD025D 0 250251Z OCT 93 ZFF4 FM USDEL SECRETARY IN UKRAINE TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 9749 INFO AMEMBASSY MOSCOW INFO LOG-00 -- 250722Z 38 SECTION 03 OF 06 SECTO 17024 E O 12356 DECL OADR TAGS OVIP CHRISTOPHER WARREN PREL RU SUBJECT SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER'S MEETING WITH FOREIGN MINISTER KOZYREV NATO ELECTIONS REGIONAL ISSUES THE ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER THE BANNING OF NEWSPAPERS HE WONDERED WHETHER THERE WOULD BE A PROGRESSIVE LIFTING OF THE PRESS RESTRICTIONS HE WAS ENCOURAGED ABOUT PRESIDENT YELTSIN'$ STATEMENT OF OCTOBER 21 ON DEMOCRACY ONLY BEING ASSURED BY A FREE PRESS 7 KOZYREV REPLIED THAT HE AND SERGEI KOVALEV HAD RECENTLY WRITTEN A MEMORANDUM WHICH COULD WELL BECOME AN ORDER TO ALL AGENCIES THERE WOULD BE NO EFFORT TO PAGE 02 RELAX PRESSURE THEY COULD NOT FULL ACCESS TO FREE AND FAIR SECTO 17024 03 OF 06 250721Z ON TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE AFFORD LOODSHED BUT OTHERS WOULD HAVE THE MEDIA AND THE ELECTIONS WOULD BE Page 4 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Bl Page 5 8 THE SECRETARY ASKED HOW MANY ORGANIZATIONS WOULD BE BARRED FROM PARTICIPATING BY THE TIME OF ELECTIONS BOTH KOZYREV AND MAMEDOV NOTED THAT PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN ORGANIZATIONS STILL UNDER CRIMINAL PROSECUTION WOULD BE ELIMINATED FROM THE PROCESS BY THE BAN HOWEVER THERE WERE MORE THAN A HUNDRED ALREADY REGISTERED AND SIX OR SEVEN OF THOSE WERE ACTUALLY RUNNING COMMUNIST CANDIDATES 9 SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER ASKED WHETHER SOMETHING COULD BE SAID MORE POSITIVELY ON THE PRESS KOZYREV SAID THAT HE WOULD VOLUNTEER TO DEAL WITH THIS QUESTION AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE THAT AFTERNOON GEORGIA 10 SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER ASKED KOZYREV FOR A REVIEW OF THE SITUATION ON GEORGIA KOZYREV SAID HE HAD JUST COME FROM A TELEPHONE CALL WITH PASTUIGIOV RUSSIA'S GEORGIA NEGOTIATOR HE HAD TWO POINTS TO MAKE 1 SHEVARDNADZE'S PEOPLE HAD BEEN PULLING TOGETHER AND WERE OFFERING NOW SOME RESISTANCE TO THE ABKHAZ AND 2 PRESIDENT YELTSIN HAO AGREED TO A DECREE ORDERING THE MINISTRY OF DEFENSE TO PARTICIPATE WITH ITS FORCES AS PART OF A MULTILATERAL FORCE WHICH WOULD BE DEFENDING THE PORT OF POTI THE ROAD AND RAILROAD TI1iiiiii'N PAGE 03 SECTO 17024 03 OF 06 250721Z AND THE THREE CAUCASUS STATES THE FORCES WOULD PROVIDE SPINOFF VALUE IN KEEPING THE REBELS AT BAY SINCE THEY COULD ONLY REACH TBILISI OVER THE RAILROAD WHICH WOULD BE PROTECTED BY THE RUSSIAN FORCES • Bl NNNN Page 5 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Page 6 PAGE 01 SECTO ACTION NODS-00 - 17024 04 OF 06 250721Z CCOE-00 ADS-00 000W ------------------FD0261 0 250251Z OCT 93 ZFF4 FM USDEL SECRETARY IN UKRAINE TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 9750 INFO AMEMBASSY MOSCOW INFO LOG-00 -- 250722Z 38 SECTION 04 OF 06 SECTO 17024 E O 12356 DECL OADR TAGS OVIP CHRISTOPHER WARREN PREL RU SUBJECT SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER'S MEETING WITH FOREIGN MINISTQIQALHQ UJQ'H NATO ELECTIONS REGIONAL ISSUES Bl _ _ _ _ _ _ ___ SHEVARDNADZE IS NOT THE REAL ISSUE WE HAD HIM IN MOSCOW TWO WEEKS AGO AND SHOWED OUR FULL SUPPORT BY TREATING HIM AS A HEAD OF STATE IN THE MEETINGS ON OCTOBER 8 WITH THE OTHER TWO HEADS OF STATES WE HAVE NO DOUBT THAT HE IS OUR PARTNER IN THIS EFFORT AND WE HAVE REFERRED TO HIM AS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY IN TBILISI - 721Z Bl Page 6 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Bl Page 7 Bl - PAGE 03 SECTO 17024 04 OF 06 250721Z NOT TOUCH THE WEAPONS THEMSELVES ON SAFETY GROUNDS THE WEAPONS HAD ALREADY BEEN THIRTY PERCENT EXPIRED AND NO ONE REALLY QUITE KNEW WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN 17 KOZYREV DISCUSSING THE MISSILES SAID THAT THE UKRAINIANS WERE MAKING A DISTINCTION IN THEIR MINDS BETWEEN THE SOLID FUEL SS-24'S AND THE LIQUID PROPELLENT SS-19'$ GIVEN THE DANGERS OF THE FAILURE TO MAINTAIN THE LIQUID-FUELED MISSILES KOZYREV ASSERTED THAT THE SOLID-FUEL MISSILES ALSO REQUIRED SERVICE AND COULD BECOME UNSTABLE AMBASSADOR TALBOTT SAID THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ACHIEVE CERTAIN SPECIFIC STEPS TO IMMOBILIZE OR DISMANTLE THE SS-24'S IN A STATED NNNN PAGE 01 SECTO ACTION NODS-00 INFO LOG-00 CCOE-00 17024 ADS-00 05 OF 06 250722Z OOOW Page 7 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Page 8 ------------------FD0267 250722Z 38 0 250251Z OCT 93 ZFF4 FM USDEL SECRETARY IN UKRAINE TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 9751 INTO RUEHMO AMEMBASSY MOSCOW -- SECTION 05 OF 06 SECTO 17024 E O 12356 DECL OADR TAGS OVIP CHRISTOPHER WARREN PREL RU SUBJECT SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER'S MEETING WITH FOREIGN MINISTER KOZYREV NATO ELECTIONS REGIONAL ISSUES TIME IF WE SUCCEED WE WILL WANT TO KEEP THOSE STEPS WITH RESPECT TO THE SS-24'S PRIVATE IN ORDER TO BRING THE UKRAINIANS ALONG KOZYREV NOTED THAT HE HAD NO REASON TO WANT TO HAVE THE QUESTIONS PUBLICIZED KOZYREV ASKED WHAT SPECIFICALLY WE HAD IN MIND AND MAMEDOV MENTIONED THAT THE EFFORT WOULD PROBABLY BE WITH ONLY FOUR OR FIVE OF THE SS- 24'S AMBASSADOR TALBOTT NOTED THAT 5 MISSILES CONSTITUTED HALF A Bl CFE FLANK LIMITS 18 TURNING TO CFE FLANK LIMITS SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER SAID THE UNITED STATES HAD UNDERSTOOD THE RUSSIAN PROBLEM AND WOULD LIKE TO BE RESPONSIVE BUT NOT TO THE POINT OF REOPENING THE TREATY MORE DISCUSSION IS REQUIRED TO SEE IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO RECOGNIZE RUSSIA'S LEGITIMATE CONCERNS AND SETTLE THEM WITHOUT DESTROYING THE TREATY Page 8 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Page 9 Bl PAGE 03 SECTO 17024 05 OF 06 250722Z 20 SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER EXPRESSED WARM CONGRATULATIONS TO FOREIGN MINISTER KOZYREV ON THE HANDLING OF THE JAPAN VISIT 21 SECRETARY CHRISTOPHER ALSO BROUGHT UP THE LUBAVITCHER BOOKS QUESTION KOZYREV ASKED IF WE HAD RECEIVED THE LUBAVITCHER LETTER INDICATING A WILLINGNESS TO MOVE THE BOOKS TO ANOTHER BUILDING WHERE THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE LUBAVITCHER COMMUNITY HE URGED US TO FOLLOW-UP WITH MINISTER OF CULTURE SIDOROV AMBASSADOR PICKERING SAID THAT WE NNNN PAGE 01 SECTO ACTION NODS-00 17024 06 OF 06 250722Z CCOE-00 ADS-00 000W ------------------FD026C 0 250251Z OCT 93 ZFF4 FM USDEL SECRE TARY IN UKRAINE TO SECSTATE WASHDC IMMEDIATE 9752 INFO AMEMBASSY MOSCOW INFO LOG-00 250723Z 38 06 OF 06 SECTO 17024 Page 9 UNCLASSIFIED UNCLASSIFIED Page 10 - 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