File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R Ford Presidential Library MEMORANDUM - THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON SilSCRliP F NODIS XGDS MEMORANDUM OF C ONVERSATION PAR TICIPANTS President Ford President Alfonso Lopez Michelson President of Colombia Dr Henry A Kissinger Secretary of State and Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs Lt General Brent Scowcroft Deputy Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs DATE TIME Friday - September 26 1975 11 30 a m - 12 00 Noon PLACE The White House The Oval Office There was small talk about soccer while the photographers came in and took pictures Lopez Have you any news on oil The OPEC meeting President Brent Scowcroft Not since I mentioned the latest to you this morning Kissinger It looks like it will end at 10 percent President The Saudis have been much tougher Lopez Venezuela told me they were for 5 percent President We can handle such an increase But I worry about other countrie s for whom every increment is a heavy burden S1iCRESP- NODIS XGDS CLASSIFIED BY - eV r - ' S''''s § C EXEMPT FROM GENERAL OECLASS FICATIO'N SCHEDULE OF EX CUTIVE ORDER 1165 EXEMPTION CATEGORY 5 3 AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSiFIED ON Cm VX'3 PJ CRE NODffi XGDS - 2 - Kissinger This is encouraging about Venezuela the radicals They have been among President We can do it but Japan Italy etc are not so fortunate It is shortsighted The higher the prices the more conservation they force Lopez There is an increasing number of countries in the UN who are voting against you Will it not bring an end to your patience I ask because it seems to me something must happen sooner or later Kissinger Look at some of the new countries -- Sao Tome Cape Verde There they sit with an equal vote and are very susceptible to radical pressures President And I guess they can be easily corrupted Lopez They have little to discuss so they attack the United States is a conversation topic It Kis singer And it's free But we are beginning to keep a log of who talks and votes against us Some of these guys are amazing Kaunda sat right here and in answer to a question as to how to help get the right party elected in Angola he said You get them in power first then we will hold the elections Then in his evening toast he blasted us for undemocratic practices Lopez The fact is the UN standards are lowering every year sooner or later something will happen I suspect President If the abuse continues to expand I think Congress will react adversely They can deny money Lopez Or force your withdrawal President We have to keep a record so we can go to them and say we won't take this abuse and have you corne back bilaterally for help Lopez It is popular to vote against you Kissinger But it will no longer be free Lopez I hear they are thinking of expelling Chile from the UN out more this afternoon -SECP E'F INODIS XGDS I'll find -8l H IR E' C NODIS XGDS Kissinger We will fight it - 3 - And South Africa Lopez Even that Kissinger I told the Africans we abhorred apartheid but if it is done for one reason one tim e it can be done for another reason another tim e Lopez Even if they violate the Charter Kissinger You can argue Nam ibia but not apartheid Lopez I am glad to hear privately that you will not tolerate abuse from the radicals It looks bad for the m oderates not to look as good Pre sident I had a check m ade on the narcotics I know it is of highest priority for you too For this year we are appropriating $1 3 m illion which is a huge increase This gives us an opportunity to charter boats and aircraft -- and we win look into the purchase of helicopters if necessary Lopez I really thank you I was pleased to hear a m em ber of the Senate Foreign Relations Com m ittee this m orning saying you would provide m oney to help in the program He raised it him self When I was here with the President Lleras to talk to President Nixon we talked about the highway I want you to know I no longer think it is that urgent It is still a jungle and we m ust protect against hoof and m outh disease President There was a m eeting yesterday and I think a tim etable m ay be set We are m aking progress Lopez It is a necessity but we are not in a hurry It will cause m e som e political trouble in the region but it is not a real problem President We want you to know we are not holding back Lopez No we know that President There is a Michigan delegation going to Colom bia with 130 people in the trade delegation led by George Lam brinos He is a good m an Henry how about Panam a SEC A 'f-INODIS XGDS -SHGH T INODIS XGDS - 4 - Kissinger The important thing is not the details but the fact that the Pre sident has determined to move it to a conclusion But we have to bring the Congress along carefully We canlt take too big steps at once and Torrijos must recognize that If it is helpful to turn something over we can manage that But the President has decided to conclude it in 1977 I am speaking very frankly to you -- Torrijos should not break up the talks Lopez Exactly what I have said I told Torrijos to look at the polls There is a trend in the U S to a hard line I said IILook at the emergence of Wallace -- he is a fact II I said Let the Americans handle the problem their way II They have a tendency to publish things that should not You remember the letters I told him I had to ask permission to publish them I see completely that this is not the most favorable time to make conces­ sions To a certain extent the question is semantic Indefinite has many meanings Kissinger We have said 50 years That is not our last word know they canld defend it themselves But we Lopez We very much appreciate your having us here President I thoroughly enjoyed our visit and your charming wife ScEGRE'f' NODIS XGDS ·f _ _--L '4 04- ____________ -_ fJL-5- __ _ L- Y _ _ _ ----4k t - 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