t ' •'- - - 1oF 4 1 t ' · I t • · ' Z9 November 1963 · MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD SUDJECT lv' KULTRA PROGRAM - · l A meetinrr was held in General Car ter's of ice on 29 Nove - -ibe1· 1963 to discuss the subject pi·ogram Thor e present in acldition tc General Cc rter w·ere Messrs Helms Kirkpatrick · Got tlieb and Earman The main thru t of the discussion was the testing of certain drugs on unwitting U S citizens D1· Gottlieb eave a bl'ief history of the MKULTRA pr·ogram which was not in any way_at va rianc e with the IG report of August 1963 on this subject • •· Z Messrs Gottlieb and argued for the continuation of unwitting testing using as the principal point that controlled testing cannot be depended upon for accurate results General Carter lvi · Kirkpatrick and I do not disagree with this point We also accept t he necessity or having a stable of drugs on the shelf and the requin m nt for continued rese arch and development of d rugs--nol o -ily for possible operati onal use but also to give CIA insight 011 the state of the art i tr is field and in particular to a lert u c to what the opposition i s or mir h• be expected to do in the R D and employment of drugs i '· _ - ··· • · · · ' • • - ' · _ · • it•· · t - • j - i Y ' • ' · · • ' - ·• · · • · '· - - ··· · - ·-· ' f t t ' · · 3 'poted that there was no d_isagreemeut with the recommendations of the IG survey on MKULTRA with the exception of the unwitting testing problem In resp ons·e to a que r ' from General Cartor he stated that Hince the IG rcpo t ouch testin l has been l1 lc1 i abeyance · • · 1 General Carter made it clear that he understoc cl the nc-cc ssi1y or research and development of all type of clrugs to include l hei ' t stin However he was troubled by the unwitting aspect This l ed t bric discussi on on th e pos5ibility of mwitting t est on foreign n itionaln b t according to·_ · this had been -ulecl out as a rcsclt of several conver s ations he recently had with senior chiefs o stations--too cl a n1 n·c•t1s and the lack of contx·ollccl facilities This c ccmcd an odd conclm ion · · ' · I - I I I I J• - '• - ·' '· •' · · t • ·· Lj ·- • · - •· · -1 ·· • • to m e s ince the same da ncers exist in the U S and from what we were dJlc t o find out clurini our i urvcy the fa c ilitier wc have or uncontrolled testing leave much to be clesired--I made a point of this • 5 After further discussion it was agn ed · a That the charter o MKULTRA ·w ' ulcl be revi1 ccl along the lines recommended in the IG s urvey b The procedure s for testi nG drugs arc to he reviewed and new alternative P roposal 9 1rnbmittecl · · '· • • c If it is concluded by the DD P th it unwit ting testin g · • · • ' on American citizens must ha continued to opera tionally prove out-these drugs it may become necessary to place this problcin before the Director for a decision · · · 6 I made the point that the IG sui vey had found othe r problems with the MKULTRA program in addition to the unwitting k stirig but stated if the charter is rewritten along the l ines ecommcndecl I believe these problems would be corrected 7 • NOTE The IG Survey of MKULTRA was handed to la er the meeting for his use in rcdra Ling the_ charier _ • • • 't J S Jnspec Ur 11an General · '' •' ·· - · ·· ' ··- · · _· · ••••• JSE cm '• · · -· ' ' t·• - ··· f ' · # • ••• · ·-· • · • · ' ' · · ' 7 1' ' ' ' • ••